Tidgy

make no mistake, like him or loath him, in a GE right now he and his party would get alot of votes.

trails

iTrader: (41)

Disagree; this is what everyone said last time...and what happened?

Tidgy

did you not see the local election result? that is far more relevant to the cuirrent situation

trails

iTrader: (41)

Local Council elections are entirely different to the GE.

Look at the UKIP results a few years back; they won council seats but nowt in the GE.

Mr Fuji

I suspect a GE now will just result in a hung parliament, so unless HM The Queen invites Labour plus whoever to form a coalition, we will be in exactly the same mess we are in at the moment. I suspect he only real viable options are revoke or no deal, one of those will cause huge unrest, the other will ruin the economy, what a choice!

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iTrader: (41)

The only pragmatic approach given where we are is another referendum...I can't see what the leave camp have to fear if they have the support they believe they do.

Rioting in the streets no matter which way it goes though. Probably

Tidgy

was a very very different political landscape back then

trails

iTrader: (41)

Nah, exactly the same...the same people even making the same noises!

Tidgy

only one way we'd find out. but that aint gonna happen lol

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iTrader: (41)

Other that Boris talking BS I'm really unsure as to what is going to happen...lets see how good a strategist Cummings really is.

Tidgy

my money is on no deal, but i wouldnt put much on it right now lol

Mr Fuji

It says in the news today that Boris won't accept an offer from the EU. Is this the loophole he is looking for, that although Parliament has forced him to ask for an extension if no deal is agreed, the wording of the bill is such that it does not explicitly state he has to accept the offer of an extension if the EU agrees to his demands?

Tidgy

there is gonna be legal wranglings no mater what happens.

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iTrader: (41)

If you are right then we are all gonna get fooked in the face for the next few years

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iTrader: (41)

Gawd knows...back top Cummings and his alleged planet sized brain I guess?

Tidgy

i was watching an interview with david davies a couple of days ago, he has a very different opinion even in the event of a no deal. short version the negatives have been massively over egged.

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iTrader: (41)

It's all unknown Tidgy, nobody knows how negative the negatives are so it's all anecdotes. The only the facts are we lose trade deals...

dpb

It's all going to be decided by lawyers from what I can see , and who's is best

Tidgy

yep, verr much unknown. however it isn't going to be anywhere near as bad as was being made out. We keep being told leave lied, but then we've had nothing but lies from remain since saying how bad things will be etc etc etc

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presente...t-really-like/

Tidgy

'who knows loopholes the best'

is prob more accurate.

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iTrader: (41)

Come on man, that's just logistics...that will get worked out. Trade deals on the other hand...?

Tidgy

Time will tell, sounds like stuff we buy will get cheaper though

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iTrader: (41)

No idea...and nobody else really has either, its all just guess work but you can be sure as hell there will be no net gain for the populous at large for a number of years and it may never offset the immediate impact. Except of course if you are rich...

Mr Fuji

Not sure I follow that logic? If we go with no deal, we revert to WTO, which is increased tarriffs on EU goods? Have I missed something?

dpb

Well Nothing much happening in Luxemburg....

No doubt we'll be told there's an incredible amount action behind the scenes, again lol

trails

iTrader: (41)

Chlorinated chicken and rip off Chinese goods are gonna be well cheap though

Mr Fuji

What a fantastic place the UK is going to be to live

trails

iTrader: (41)

Taking back control in the moat spectacular manner...it's gonna be great

Tidgy

tarrifs go the other way lol

the uk gov has already said its reducing tariffs on more goods than the eu currently does

Mr Fuji

This doesn't make any sense at all. No deal means WTO rules, which we have to abide by as a member of the WTO, no favourites, no exemptions, so all of our trade will have the same tariff. If you are saying that we will unilaterally reduce our tariffs across the whole shooting match, and at the same time hoping the world will do the same to us, then that seems rather optimistic. Sure we will potentially have very cheap imports, but will have no power over our exports, our economy will be at the mercy of foreign countries, our industry (what is left of it) will be out competed by cheap imports!