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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 01:54 PM
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Wash your mouth out!! You can't go round spreading gossip like that on here.
Oops, sorry! Then I also better keep quiet about how over a million Brits also benefit from the freedom of movement rules!
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 09:34 PM
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Hmmm... do you think sometimes countries could be dependent on migrant workers for high paying skilled jobs and not just the low paid unskilled workers? ;-)
I am stealing some Dutch persons highly paid job.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:06 AM
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Oops, sorry! Then I also better keep quiet about how over a million Brits also benefit from the freedom of movement rules!
That is because Brits aren't foreigners, they think they are better than everyone else just like iPhone users and BMW drivers.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
That is because Brits aren't foreigners, they think they are better than everyone else just like iPhone users and BMW drivers.
No harm to you Sir but that applies to the Germans. Their attitude when abroad is disgraceful they still think they're the superior race.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:31 AM
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No harm to you Sir but that applies to the Germans. Their attitude when abroad is disgraceful they still think they're the superior race.
I can not argue with that

However the Russians make the Germans look like amateurs.

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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:42 AM
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As I'm half German, half of me is offended by those comments while the other half laughs it's tit off.
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 11:47 AM
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I enjoy Henning Wehn's take on this...
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
That is because Brits aren't foreigners, they think they are better than everyone else just like iPhone users and BMW drivers.
Originally Posted by 1509joe
No harm to you Sir but that applies to the Germans. Their attitude when abroad is disgraceful they still think they're the superior race.
Originally Posted by Wurzel
I can not argue with that

However the Russians make the Germans look like amateurs.
That may be true for tourists, but I think people who live and work in a foreign country mostly behave themselves and drop the I'm not a foreigner attitude!

Although some maybe push the limits a bit driving around in noisy cars with huge union flags on the roof

(I just realised if Tankie came back, we could meet up and have Red, White and Blue Scoobies! )
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 12:34 PM
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Although some maybe push the limits a bit driving around in noisy cars with huge union flags on the roof
That is because I am a Brit and better than everyone else ;-)
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Old Nov 14, 2018 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
That is because I am a Brit and better than everyone else ;-)
Not for much longer Steffan :-P
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 09:29 AM
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This isn't good.

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 09:55 AM
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Northern Ireland office minister quit earlier to, and there will be a lot more I'd say.

Government collapse today?
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 09:58 AM
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Northern Ireland office minister quit earlier to, and there will be a lot more I'd say.

Government collapse today?
I would say so yes.

So looks like it will be a no deal scenario after all. Worst case situation. Really not good.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:07 AM
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Another quitter - work and pensions secretary.

Can we just just tell Europe, **** it, we made a mistake, and want to say

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:08 AM
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The PM has prevaricated for months, then to offer the dogs vomit of a deal which suits absolutely no one . Id expect more cabinet resignations, a possible no confidence vote coming in the next days
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:09 AM
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It's as much the brexiteers fault as anyone's

they've seem to believe that we could/should push boundaries of what the EU will put up with


They're isn't any government anywhere that can sort it out

Just have to prepare for as Armageddon next March
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:13 AM
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Some Tories now stating there will be a new PM in two weeks.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by andy97
The PM has prevaricated for months, then to offer the dogs vomit of a deal which suits absolutely no one . Id expect more cabinet resignations, a possible no confidence vote coming in the next days
Was there another deal on the table that we didn't know about then that was perfect for us and ticked all the Brexiters wishes? It's not like we had a perfect wish list we submit and they sign off and agree with is it? The EU were never going to give us what the Brexiters promised the country in the leave campaign. It was never on the table to start with. The deal we have now is the ONLY option, and truth be told it's a terrible compromise as expected.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:18 AM
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Vote leave was flawed from the start due to all the lies that were told.
Even the promises of the deal that we would negotiate as part of leaving was a load of shyte, and just lies.
Like you say, if we were leaving, it would be on the EU's terms and conditions, not the UK's

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:22 AM
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This deal wont pass, remainers hate it aa much as leavers.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by andy97
This deal wont pass, remainers hate it aa much as leavers.
Agreed.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 10:38 AM
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2 more resignations.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 11:06 AM
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So it turns out you can't have your cake and eat it after all!

There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.

Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.

The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
So it turns out you can't have your cake and eat it after all!

There is no possible deal that is better for the UK than remaining in the EU.

Parliament will never accept a hard Brexit because there is simply no majority support for it.

The level of incompetence on this government is really astounding. Now they will lose their support from the DUP, they are a minority government who are themselves split down the middle. We simply don't have time to mess around with leadership elections, never mind general elections and still negotiate any form of exit plan. Its a complete and utter shambles all because some right wing toffs think they (not us) can get even richer if we left the EU - inbred fktards!
'Hard Brexit' is not is parliaments hands, it's in the EU's

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
'Hard Brexit' is not is parliaments hands, it's in the EU's
If we are faced with a hard brexit, then parliament has a vote on the way to proceed: Accept hard brexit, cancel brexit, a peoples vote, extend article 50 and renegotiate are all possible outcomes!

Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
If we are faced with a hard brexit, then parliament has a vote on the way to proceed: Accept hard brexit, cancel brexit, a peoples vote, extend article 50 and renegotiate are all possible outcomes!

Listening to the parliament debate at the moment, its clear that this deal is not going to be accepted by the house. Peoples vote is looking more and more likely!
Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.

I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.
Yes, but Parliament have the right and power to revoke article 50, just as if it never happened.
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.

I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.
As BrownPants says, the UK can revoke article 50 and the EU have indicated this is possible and would be accepted. So it is pretty much in the UKs hands.

Fortunately who you listen to is irrelevant, parliament will make the decision for a peoples vote and the majority of MP are remainers!
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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
As BrownPants says, the UK can revoke article 50 and the EU have indicated this is possible and would be accepted. So it is pretty much in the UKs hands.

Fortunately who you listen to is irrelevant, parliament will make the decision for a peoples vote and the majority of MP are remainers!
Yes of course parliament can revoke Article 50, but that wasn't really the issue. The issue was parliament voting down a 'hard Brexit', that's an entirely different circumstance.

A 2nd vote would throw this country to the dogs

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Old Nov 15, 2018 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Parliament can vote for what it likes. Article 50 clearly states we are leaving in March, with or without a deal. Only the EU can stop that.

I will start listening to the logic of a revote, once Leavers start calling for it. The only people I see wanting this are remainers, which make it slightly laughable.

Only leavers wanted the last vote!

Leavers don't want any vote, and what we are presented with suits no one. I don't imagine the PM wants to go with no deal, because despite the rhetoric, she knows how bad that will be for the UK, so the only choices are a different deal (and it's taken over two years to get to this debacle), remain without a vote or go to the people again, with more relevant questions now they are better informed about how Brexit may look and what it may mean.

I doubt the result would be so close this time, whichever way it goes. At least that is a mandate, there isn't one at the moment.

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