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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I see that employers are having to raise wages to attract workers now fewer Eastern Europeans are coming?

And will all those on here who shouted me down when I said that un-controlled immigration depressed wages, now apologise?
https://news.sky.com/story/employers...eport-11552450

But aren't there 1.36 million unemployed Brits sitting at home claiming benefits?

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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 02:36 PM
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...had come ALL the way from top Scotland...

That gets on my Wick.


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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I see that employers are having to raise wages to attract workers now fewer Eastern Europeans are coming?

And will all those on here who shouted me down when I said that un-controlled immigration depressed wages, now apologise?
I think you'll find that wages are now being increased due to inflation (driven by weak pound) and labour shortages than they were previously being depressed!
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I see that employers are having to raise wages to attract workers now fewer Eastern Europeans are coming?

And will all those on here who shouted me down when I said that un-controlled immigration depressed wages, now apologise?
This is due to shortage of labour, it's not the same at all. We simply do not have the people to do the work. Demand outstrips supply, prices (or in this case wages) go up. There is no evidence that immigration drove them down.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Fuji
This is due to shortage of labour, it's not the same at all. We simply do not have the people to do the work. Demand outstrips supply, prices (or in this case wages) go up. There is no evidence that immigration drove them down.
From here.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-...mployment-rate
There were 1.36 million unemployed people (people not in work but seeking and available to work)
So what you are saying is there are 1.36 million people in the UK who are totally useless and are not capable of doing anything?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
https://news.sky.com/story/employers...eport-11552450

But aren't there 1.36 million unemployed Brits sitting at home claiming benefits?
Is reality starting to crash in on Alcazar?

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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:34 PM
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Positive early start, redressing over a decade of cheap immigrant labour. Government will have to reduce state benefits and encourage work ethic.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
So what you are saying is there are 1.36 million people in the UK who are totally useless and are not capable of doing anything?
Oh there's loads more than, that, some of them are working too
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Positive early start, redressing over a decade of cheap immigrant labour. Government will have to reduce state benefits and encourage work ethic.
We have full employment you numpty

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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
I see that employers are having to raise wages to attract workers now fewer Eastern Europeans are coming?
So bang goes your reason to vote leave.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
We have full employment you numpty
​​​​​​I dont call one million and more full employment. I thought employers were short of workers, it cant be both
Unless you're medically unfit to do work, then a large portion of these one million plus can be put to work
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
​​​​​​I dont call one million and more full employment. I thought employers were short of workers, it cant be both
Unless you're medically unfit to do work, then a large portion of these one million plus can be put to work
So you know the breakdown of the currently unemployed, and you know better than economist as to what constitutes full employment?


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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
​​​Unless you're medically unfit to do work, then a large portion of these one million plus can be put to work
So presumably, if you were unfortunate enough to lose your job through no fault of your own, you'd be happy to be forced to work as a kitchen porter for minimum wage?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 05:48 PM
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So presumably, if you were unfortunate enough to lose your job through no fault of your own, you'd be happy to be forced to work as a kitchen porter for minimum wage?

Why not? Is there some shame in being a kitchen porter, when you're unemployed? Working doesnt preclude someone from seeking a new job
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
So bang goes your reason to vote leave.
back to front.
the leave voters brought this about
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
back to front.
the leave voters brought this about
I'd love to see that backed up with evidence
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Why not? Is there some shame in being a kitchen porter, when you're unemployed? Working doesnt preclude someone from seeking a new job
you should bottle that naivety, it may come in useful post Brexit.

Honestly now, do you really believe benefits will be reduced and people forced back to work?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 06:54 PM
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So basically possible employees from outside Eu are changing their minds about coming here

that could spell disaster
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by trails


you should bottle that naivety, it may come in useful post Brexit.

Honestly now, do you really believe benefits will be reduced and people forced back to work?
Worse than Tebbit
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Why not? Is there some shame in being a kitchen porter, when you're unemployed? Working doesnt preclude someone from seeking a new job
No shame at all. The point was about being forced to do it, and the fact that you can't actually make ends meet with zero hours contracts and minimum wage anyway.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by alcazar
back to front.
the leave voters brought this about
So now you've got your wish, why do we still have to leave the EU?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
No shame at all. The point was about being forced to do it, and the fact that you can't actually make ends meet with zero hours contracts and minimum wage anyway.

Better than receiving benefits, wallowing at home. Do work offered or get no benefits, choice.
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sad Weevil
So now you've got your wish, why do we still have to leave the EU?
To be independent of all aspects of the EU, judicial, financial, borders etc etc
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 10:24 PM
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Stop all in work benefits too ?
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Old Nov 12, 2018 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
Better than receiving benefits, wallowing at home. Do work offered or get no benefits, choice.
This whole issue has got bugger all to do with benefits.

Basic maths should help you get to the real answer.
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:00 PM
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Any evidence AT ALL migrants have been stealing jobs would be welcome
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:22 PM
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I'm stealing a German job

...oh wait, we're trying to recruit at the moment and the only applicant is an Indian guy, maybe there's no Germans qualified (or willing) to do my job!
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
I'm stealing a German job

...oh wait, we're trying to recruit at the moment and the only applicant is an Indian guy, maybe there's no Germans qualified (or willing) to do my job!
Me too

HP flew me over from the UK for my job. Maybe there are no Germans qualified (or willing) to do my job either
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Me too

HP flew me over from the UK for my job. Maybe there are no Germans qualified (or willing) to do my job either
Hmmm... do you think sometimes countries could be dependent on migrant workers for high paying skilled jobs and not just the low paid unskilled workers? ;-)
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Old Nov 13, 2018 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Hmmm... do you think sometimes countries could be dependent on migrant workers for high paying skilled jobs and not just the low paid unskilled workers? ;-)
Wash your mouth out!! You can't go round spreading gossip like that on here.
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