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Old May 11, 2021 | 04:14 PM
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Don't worry it won't happen as labour and a few do-gooders don't like it.
They promised to remove the 15 year limit for expats before the Brexit referendum! Bit late now, the vote might have gone the other way if we'd have been allowed to vote!
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They promised to remove the 15 year limit for expats before the Brexit referendum! Bit late now, the vote might have gone the other way if we'd have been allowed to vote!
Then us who do not even live in the UK would have got the blame for ruining the UKs aspirations of solidarity and taking back control.
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Then us who do not even live in the UK would have got the blame for ruining the UKs aspirations of solidarity and taking back control.
Hows that working out for them?

The Brexiteers seem to have gone all quiet lately, I assume they are struggling to defend the great fishing deal, the rise of troubles in NI, Scottish demands for independence referendum, opening of the floodgates for Indian immigrants expats, the fall of the city of London as the no.1 trading center in Europe. Still, at least the vaccinations are working out for them!
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Hows that working out for them?

The Brexiteers seem to have gone all quiet lately, I assume they are struggling to defend the great fishing deal, the rise of troubles in NI, Scottish demands for independence referendum, opening of the floodgates for Indian immigrants expats, the fall of the city of London as the no.1 trading center in Europe. Still, at least the vaccinations are working out for them!
Yeah but holiday are not as the Germans are snapping up all the best ones while bumbling Boris bumbles around.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-new...warns-12302400
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Hows that working out for them?

The Brexiteers seem to have gone all quiet lately, I assume they are struggling to defend the great fishing deal, the rise of troubles in NI, Scottish demands for independence referendum, opening of the floodgates for Indian immigrants expats, the fall of the city of London as the no.1 trading center in Europe. Still, at least the vaccinations are working out for them!

I think the local election results in England said it loudly enough; If Brexit voters were not happy or had died from corona and/or age...as abuse from younger vocal remainers often attribute brexit to older 'boomer' generations that would soon die out. Obviously that's not the case as Tory council gains show brexiteers are very much alive, kicking and happy with what the torys are doing.

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I think the local election results in England said it loudly enough; If Brexit voters were not happy or had died from corona and/or age...as abuse from younger vocal remainers often attribute brexit to older 'boomer' generations that would soon die out. Obviously that's not the case as Tory council gains show brexiteers are very much alive, kicking and happy with what the torys are doing.
I would counter that it is, in fact, more to do with Labour being unable to offer a viable alternative at the moment. They are in a terrible mess, almost as bad as the Foot years.
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Old May 12, 2021 | 01:36 PM
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I think the local election results in England said it loudly enough; If Brexit voters were not happy or had died from corona and/or age...as abuse from younger vocal remainers often attribute brexit to older 'boomer' generations that would soon die out. Obviously that's not the case as Tory council gains show brexiteers are very much alive, kicking and happy with what the torys are doing.
The Tory success in the council elections had little to do with Brexit due to Labour refusing to talk about it and instead focusing on Tory sleaze which has never been a popular tactic with voters. Really the success is on the back of the vaccine campaign which has somewhat been drowning out the Brexit bad news.

The Tories did however lose a lot of ground in the South in particular to Lib Dems and Greens although that has gone largely unnoticed as the headlines from the tory supporting press focus on the gains in the North. Then there is the Scotland result which is a total disaster for the Tories and actually is Brexit related particularly as the wishes of the Scottish people were totally ignored by the Tories in the Brexit negotiations and its the Scottish fishermen that have been hit the hardest by Brexit.

The Tories may still largely have support from Brexit voters, but the cries of "we knew what we voted for" have disappeared and are now being replaced with "thats not the Brexit we voted for"!

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Old May 13, 2021 | 08:24 AM
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I haven't looked on here for a while and still BMW talking ****. The liberals did absolutely naff all, lost 2% in vote gained 8 seats 1 council.

The Tories, let's use the phrase "despite Brexit " thrashed the other parties.

I dont think there is any reason to pop back, only for comedy viewing
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Old May 13, 2021 | 11:08 AM
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Old brexit duffers still not dead , milleniel voters obviously no experince tory sleeze ...stiffing the lower paid worker

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But bankers and analysts say many of the moves are still to happen.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...?ocid=msedgdhp
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Old May 18, 2021 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by andy97
I haven't looked on here for a while and still BMW talking ****.
Unable to defend Brexit, so you have to resort to personal insults

If its not bad enough the fishing industry being sold down the river (no pun intended), now the government are putting the farmers out to pasture (pun intended), as if they hadn't been hurt enough by the loss of so much EU business due to increased admin costs and shipping delays, not to mention the loss of the funding from the Common Agricultural Policy, now the death nail will be cheap livestock imports from Australia and New Zealand.

These imbeciles have fkd Brexit up so much, they are now so desperate to do trade deals with anyone who offers and will give up anything and everything so that they can pretend Brexit is a success!
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Old May 18, 2021 | 07:53 PM
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Brexit only ever going to make the rich richer and the poor poorer

Boris can deflect critism death british meat producers though - on the basis we,ve all got to go vegan anyway
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Old May 19, 2021 | 07:23 AM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-57149744

Hmm...as I suspected looks like the UK government is seeking to be more reliant on meat imports for its stock of basic quality meats...as cattle farming 'the old way' is seen as damaging to the environment.

Possibly with the vision of quality vs quantity and therefore commanding a higher price and protecting exports of our own meats despite extra taxes.

No longer can a land owner just sit back and rake in subsidies. Seems the environmental lobbyists now have a more influential voice....we'll know for sure if we follow with the 2025 ban of gas boilers; especially with no alternative in place (heatpumps still too expensive and require massive home insulation improvements to work properly).

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Old May 19, 2021 | 11:13 AM
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We can import it cheap from tother side the world Brazil and Aus , pretend we're carbon nuetral
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Old May 19, 2021 | 11:23 AM
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I don't care where you get your meat from or if you are carbon neutral but can you please sort out the customs and trade BS as I am waiting for replacement CPUs from the UK to fix 3x HP BL460C G8 blade servers that have been stuck in customs for 2 weeks now.
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Old May 19, 2021 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
Hows that working out for them?

The Brexiteers seem to have gone all quiet lately, I assume they are struggling to defend the great fishing deal, the rise of troubles in NI, Scottish demands for independence referendum, opening of the floodgates for Indian immigrants expats, the fall of the city of London as the no.1 trading center in Europe. Still, at least the vaccinations are working out for them!
Don’t trivialise the success please - I understand the German finance minister criticised the EU’s vaccine strategy by saying that it was ‘richtig scheisse gelaufen’. Where I am in the EU27 it is indeed a proper fustercluck and the over 50’s won’t be getting our first jabs until a month from now because of brilliant central procurement by Brussels. In comparison, Bravo Brexit Britain. 👏🏽
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Don’t trivialise the success please - I understand the German finance minister criticised the EU’s vaccine strategy by saying that it was ‘richtig scheisse gelaufen’. Where I am in the EU27 it is indeed a proper fustercluck and the over 50’s won’t be getting our first jabs until a month from now because of brilliant central procurement by Brussels. In comparison, Bravo Brexit Britain. 👏🏽
But no EU country was forced to take part in the common vaccine policy, it was a voluntary scheme, so the UK could have always done its own thing. Hungary even chose to do both, joining the EU common scheme and procuring extra vaccines itself.

The UKs success is more to do with luck than clever planning, they bet heavily on the Astra Zenica vaccine with an exclusive supply deal and that bet paid off. If AZ vaccine hadn't have been successful, the UK vaccine program would have been a complete failure!

The EU program spread its bets much more widely so was never so dependent on a single manufacturer. Because of initial production problems by many manufacturers, the EU scheme was slow to get started, but is now running actually quite well with EU countries rapidly catching the UK up. The EU scheme only looks bad when you compare to a few select countries, but on the grand scheme of things, the EU is way ahead of most of the world in its vaccine delivery. So yeah, the EU scheme certainly wasn't the best in the world, but it wasn't dependent on a lucky bet or vaccine nationalism, it wasn't perfect but it also wasn't 'scheisse'.

Of course when you are quoting any German politicians at the moment, you also have to consider elections are due at the end of Summer and the ruling CDU/CSU have lost a lot of popularity with Angie stepping down and could actually be beaten by the Greens. So passing the perceived vaccine failure blame onto the EU is an easy tactic to win a few votes - a tactic the UK had been successfully using for decades!
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Yes the German vaccination process is fustercluck and everyone I have spoken to agrees.

I asked my quack about the vaccine last month and he said I am to young they are currently doing the over 60s so ask again in June.

I actually had my first jab last week due to a doctors surgery in Nagold doing a free for all first come first served no age questions asked offer. I was also given an appointment to come back for the 2nd one. The girl in the queue (yes Germans can queue if they have to) was only 26. But I did get her phone number ;-)

My mate who is 5 years older than me (but from a different area) was told he would be put on a waiting list and may get vaccinated in around 12 weeks time, He went to Nagold on Monday and got his first jab and an appointment for the 2nd.

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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Yes the German vaccination process is fustercluck and everyone I have spoken to agrees.

I asked my quack about the vaccine last month and he said I am to young they are currently doing the over 60s so ask again in June.

I actually had my first jab last week due to a doctors surgery in Nagold doing a free for all first come first served no age questions asked offer. I was also given an appointment to come back for the 2nd one. The girl in the queue (yes Germans can queue if they have to) was only 26. But I did get her phone number ;-)

My mate who is 5 years older than me (but from a different area) was told he would be put on a waiting list and may get vaccinated in around 12 weeks time, He went to Nagold on Monday and got his first jab and an appointment for the 2nd.
The registration system in Germany for booking an appointment is a total disaster! Nowt to do with the EU though! Also not sure if its the same system for all or Germany or if each state has its own. Baden-Wuerttemburg also messed up big time by distributing the same amount of vaccines to all local vaccine stations regardless of population, so if you live in the backlands, then they had too much vaccine while the more populous areas really struggled! They've sorted that problem now and the vaccine program in German is doing pretty well. The UK vaccine program is now starting to stall as they've run out of old people to vaccinate and they're not giving AZ vaccines to under 40's.
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Originally Posted by BMWhere?
The registration system in Germany for booking an appointment is a total disaster! Nowt to do with the EU though! Also not sure if its the same system for all or Germany or if each state has its own. Baden-Wuerttemburg also messed up big time by distributing the same amount of vaccines to all local vaccine stations regardless of population, so if you live in the backlands, then they had too much vaccine while the more populous areas really struggled! They've sorted that problem now and the vaccine program in German is doing pretty well. The UK vaccine program is now starting to stall as they've run out of old people to vaccinate and they're not giving AZ vaccines to under 40's.
So when are you getting yours then?
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So when are you getting yours then?
Hopefully soon! I've only been to my local quack once, so not expecting to get any special priority from him, but my boss is trying to get me on a priority list with the company doctor so I can be jabbed before going on a Business trip to Australia. The company doctors can start vaccinations from 7th June, I've got a consultation booked for the 10th!
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Brexsh7t really is going as **** as was predicted

all pain, zero gain - not one tangible benefit

in fact so few Lord Frost is going to employ an outside consultant to identify any - spoiler alert, there are none

just remember when if you go to Europe (the Med etc) this summer - we are going to Greece btw (thanks for asking)

Be kind and respectful to those African street sellers, they probably have more right be there than you tourist do
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The whole eu thingy was primarily to benefit french farmers and German manufacturing.
and UK finance

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Originally Posted by Godspeed Brakes
Not so much the trade barriers , more to do with customs being overwhelmed , we send quite a bit of stuff to the EU , and the hold up in customs was unbelievable , some countries a lot worse than other , France , Spain , Portugal and Italy being the worst , especially Italy , what would take 2-3 days was taking up to 6-8 weeks !
Quite a few of the big name couriers stopped collecting EU parcels for a while as their depots were full.
Now they seem to be getting to grips with it , they are getting them through a lot faster , so the figures for the second quarter will look a lot better
I think it's taken quite a few people by surprise how badly customs have dealt with it all

customs controls are a trade barrier

that is literally the definition of a trade barrier
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Old May 21, 2021 | 11:07 PM
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But no EU country was forced to take part in the common vaccine policy, it was a voluntary scheme, so the UK could have always done its own thing. Hungary even chose to do both, joining the EU common scheme and procuring extra vaccines itself.

The UKs success is more to do with luck than clever planning, they bet heavily on the Astra Zenica vaccine with an exclusive supply deal and that bet paid off. If AZ vaccine hadn't have been successful, the UK vaccine program would have been a complete failure!

The EU program spread its bets much more widely so was never so dependent on a single manufacturer. Because of initial production problems by many manufacturers, the EU scheme was slow to get started, but is now running actually quite well with EU countries rapidly catching the UK up. The EU scheme only looks bad when you compare to a few select countries, but on the grand scheme of things, the EU is way ahead of most of the world in its vaccine delivery. So yeah, the EU scheme certainly wasn't the best in the world, but it wasn't dependent on a lucky bet or vaccine nationalism, it wasn't perfect but it also wasn't 'scheisse'.

Of course when you are quoting any German politicians at the moment, you also have to consider elections are due at the end of Summer and the ruling CDU/CSU have lost a lot of popularity with Angie stepping down and could actually be beaten by the Greens. So passing the perceived vaccine failure blame onto the EU is an easy tactic to win a few votes - a tactic the UK had been successfully using for decades!
The Germans, Dutch and others were clubbing together to get it done by themselves and were cajoled into leaving it to Ursi. And we all now how they turned out.

Boris handed procurement to a biotech venture capitalist to get it done with no bureaucracy regardless of the cost and that’s exactly what Kate Bingham did at speed. The Eu was sending vaccines to the U.K. because Britain ordered months before Meanwhile, the EU was busy translating everything into 23 different languages and was unable to move forwards, especially given the strategy to shop on price and not speed. After the fact VDL admitted the EU was an oil tanker compared to the British speedboat. A better cheerleader for Brexit than expected.


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Tim Martin calls for more EU migration as Wetherspoons is hit by bar staff shortage

Oh the irony!
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They actually need more Australians as Australians are genetically engineered for bar work
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What absolute tosser

this was all about presevering jobs for 'British' workers was it not ....!

typicaly digraceful aristocrat brexiter

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Alas, Fake news...https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...egraph-8024810

statement from Tim Martin:

“I was trying to be helpful to the journalist by providing up-to-date anecdotal information on staffing, which clearly demonstrated a very positive situation for Wetherspoon. However, my comments were misreported. The false story, expressed in the headline “Wetherspoons boss calls for more EU migration as bars and restaurants tackle staff shortage” and expressed or implied elsewhere in the article, was that Wetherspoon was suffering staff shortages, which clearly isn’t true, and that I had subsequently been moved to change my stance on immigration, which, as my evidence to the parliament several ago clearly shows, isn’t true either.”


Not that I like the guy nor his plastic pubs that can't even pour a pint of Carling (not sure how they make taste it worse than usual, but they do ), but we have to be clear on where the journos are steering the conversation.

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Alas, Fake news...https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/bre...egraph-8024810

statement from Tim Martin:



Not that I like the guy nor his plastic pubs that can't even pour a pint of Carling (not sure how they make taste it worse than usual, but they do ), but we have to be clear on where the journos are steering the conversation.
It's hard to know who to really believe on this story. Is it credible that the Telegraph of all papers would suddenly (and secretly) pivot to a pro-EU immigration stance, after the endless amounts of spin they've put into bigging up the benefits we've all supposedly been enjoying of finally being "free of our shackles"? Definitely a case of an enigma wrapped up in a mystery, cleverly concealed inside a conundrum.
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