Martin2005

I don't know if you have been following the news over the last few years. In case you haven't, we voted to leave the EU, therefore your comments on this are utterly irrelevant.

You are in for a very rude awakening, once we've left the EU. Reality is soon going to come crashing in on your I'll thought out views.

dpb

He's missed + doesn't believe gov on the rapid slow down EU rocking up And those here jacking it in and going home....

BrownPantsRacing

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Anyone watch question time on BBC last night? Christ. No wonder the government are having issues with politicians like that pushing us towards a no deal in the belief this is the right thing for our country. I honestly wanted to jump into the TV and slap Andrea Jenkyns in the face.

BMWhere?

The interesting thing about a No Deal Brexit scenario is the current legislation dictates that Parliament has a free vote (no whipping!) as to how to proceed in that circumstance. The reality is, the majority of Parliament is still anti-Brexit and its more likely that a No Deal will result in no Brexit or at minimum a second referendum.

Martin2005

I'm not convinced. I suspect that 'no deal' would mean there's nothing to actually vote on, so we crash out

Mr Fuji

I too have heard this, but I'm not convinced it would go totally unchallenged, there's too much at stake?

BMWhere?

There is a specific paragraph in the EU exit bill which requires parliament to debate and take a free vote on the further action in case of no deal.

Martin2005

Yeah that may well be so - and thanks for that.

I think that issue here will be Article 50, which clearly states that we'll be ejected from the EU on the 29th March if we don't have a deal. Parliament can vote on whatever it likes at that point, it won't change a thing. In other words, in a no deal scenario, it entirely depends upon the EU in terms of what happens next - at least my understanding

dpb

What n earth will happen at irish border

Are we really going to fall foul international law by not imposing it , as the brexiters are advocating

Martin2005

They are all over the place on this one. They want us out without a deal, no Irish border and trade deals signed around the world, all of which are in total conflict.

For example, there is not a chance of us getting a trade deal with the US if we DON'T have a border with the EU, that's an absolute deal breaker.

BMWhere?

The hardcore Brexiteers in the Tory party would happily have a border in the Irish sea, which to be honest seems the easiest solution to me too, but they are held to ransom by the DUP and they will never let it happen. The only other solution is border controls at the Irish border and the EU won't let that happen. Personally, I think the current Tory inside plan is to come to whatever solution for the time being, then have an election, get rid of the DUP dependence, then they can have the border in the Irish sea and the mainland can go its own way! The difficulty is reassuring the EU the we will stick to that plan without writing it in such a way that the DUP will reject the deal!

Martin2005

I disagree, no Tory government (irrespective of the DUP), would countenance a border that effectively cut out NI from the rest of the UK. There's a chance that someone with republican sympathies like Corbyn might, but even then it's pretty unlikely.

This whole issue of the border was given so little airtime during the referendum campaign, we all too busy worrying about those pesky immigrants, and the 80 million Turks that were about to land in Dover.

stevebt

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Martin2005

​http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/unfounded-claim-turkey-swing-brexit-referendum/​​​​​​


Boris the lying 2 faced ***** caught out again

dpb

Well youd be in a spot of bother on account that large slice water between us and anywhere else

not sure what youre driving at

lafarge etc took delight in the premise that all those radical refugees would end up on your doorstep in short order ,in the same way trump is playing the public now .

dpb

stevebt

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andy97

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No he isnt, he met with some pip squeak who is failing in their own job

dpb

good call

dpb

bit derogatory !

anyone in particular ?

andy97

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why dont you post something like this

Mps have no legal veto to stop the UK leaving with no deal
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-no-deal-house-of-commons-legal-veto-parliament-meaningful-vote-theresa-may-a8603541.html

This is much more positive

markjmd

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More positive, because it will mean Labour are much more likely to go along with whatever deal May's govt can get, if the only alternative is no deal at all, or because it will likely mean a vote of no-confidence (which will almost certainly be lost by the present govt), if they simply cannot get a deal?

The Trooper 1815

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Ooops. This could get interesting.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46016377

andy97

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Labour have categorically stated they will not support any deal unless it passes their 6 tests . They have also said that they will not support a bad deal and support May. They want to leverage a general election, so wont support the Tories, except a small number of blairites.

Many more ardent conservatives who dont support mays chequers idea

andy97

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Like Tony blair telling brown, ill give you the seat in, erm 3 years

Martin2005

Reality is about to come crashing in on Labour's position though

The Trooper 1815

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She is off. My bet is she will go early.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46020745

alcazar

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andy97

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If it were one sided, there is stalemate currently, and a bad deal will be rejected by either side of the house and tbe EU

Martin2005

The scenario is going to end up with some sort of fudge over the backstop, which will enable there to be a withdrawal agreement.

At that point Labour are in a deep hole...

Potentially being complicit in pushing us over the cliff edge; they will probably blink.

The real negotiations start on March 30th