alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Ah yes? Like they got back from the banks?
LOL Delusional to the end.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

No questions needed answered. I simply refuted your argument. Since you don't come from a steel town, you ought to take most of what the media tell you with a heavy pinch of salt

BMWhere?

You tried to refute my argument but lacked any factual information to back up your statements!

alcazar

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go and look up what the Germans and Italians did the minute steel went into crisis..late last year.

Then look at what OUR lot did, and the EU response.

Facts.

BMWhere?

And they did this why exactly?

Oh yeah, that's right, because the UK vetoed higher steel tariffs for Chinese imports! FACT!

Just because we're too stupid and would rather let our industry collapse rather than breaking a few little rules that nobody really has the will to punish us for. We could have done exactly the same as the Germans or Italians, but we didn't and in your mind that is somehow the EU's fault and not our own stupidity!

Or even better, would could have not vetoed the higher tariffs and we could have all carried on without having to break any rules!

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nonsense. You have proof they vetoed our doing anything BECAUSE we vetoed higher traiffs? Or is that more remain supposition posted as fact?

The FACTS are simple. The EU blocked our bid to help OUR steel industry and the same way as the Germans and Italians already did.

It's not MY fault UK governments have consistently obeyed all the b/s rules the EU can throw at us, thus fukcing up a great number of UK workers and p*ssing off even more. Hence the out vote.

If the EU didn't POST daft rules, then allow SOME countries to flout them, we'd be fine...hence Brexit.

Are you finally getting it? It would seem so

BMWhere?

Nope!

But I am getting bored of your blatant ignorance!

neil-h

But would we have needed to prop up our steel industry if we hadn't vetoed the increased tariffs on Chinese steel?

alcazar

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Yes...haven't you been reading this? Tehre is NO SUCH THING as cheap Chinese steel. There is expensive European steel.

THAT is why the Germans and Italians acted as they did.

And why we should have done so to, but were blocked from so doing...by the EU.

Did they need to do it? Well, they did it, that tells you a lot.

alcazar

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If you can't argue without remarks like that, go to facebook with the others, please.

There is no need for insults, belittlement or anything else similar.

JackClark

Good. How the **** can this country have a steel industry when we apparently are full, no room for immigration, which refugee shanty town should get dug up for the resources? Now we don't have the EU to stop stupid decisions gawd help us. Privatisation anyone?

alcazar

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Bit juvenile, Jack, even for you, LOL

JackClark

It is kind of juvenile but it's true, we're a small island in a big world, I'd rather see money spent retraining/redeveloping than propping up a business best conducted elsewhere.

alcazar

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Why is it "best conducted elsewhere"? We already have the infrastructure and the highly trained workforce. Why give it up, ten have to import even more stuff?

neil-h

I didn't think it was this complicated. If we hadn't vetoed the motion to apply higher tariffs to Chinese steel then we could've priced the Chinese out of the EU market.

Incidentally I never said there was such a thing as "cheep chinese steel", so I don't see why your getting your blood pressure up over that.

alcazar

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I'm not, but it's a well used and totally wrong phrase in all this.

Tariffs are NOT the answer, they simply lead to tit-for-tat situations and bad feelings all round.

Hence Germany and Italy's solution. Which works.

Geezer

Except the Chinese were dumping so much cheap steel in to the world market the US raised the tariffs by 500%. Even China has acknowledged that they have over produced, hence it's cheap.



This must be the wonderful deal you think the EU is going to give us, despite it not being in their interests all to? We are not the golden goose. We are much smaller economically than the EU, that very important point seems to pass you by. Inconvenient? Yes. Golden goose? Not even close.

As for war, I hope not and doubt it, but the way nationalism is rising and the kind of splintering you seem to to wish to inflict on Europe is not too far removed from how it was in the early years of he 20th Century. We all know how that turned out.

alcazar

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Once again you used cheap Chinese steel. PLEASE try to understand, it's not cheap, it's cheaper than our dear stuff...which EU rules, laws etc force to be dear. Unless you are Germany or Italy, then you ignore those laws and rules. I'd laugh if it's wasn't so gfekking tragic for us.

As for golden goose, you have completley misunderstood me. The UK is/was/is never going to be anyone's golden goose.

What IS a golden goose for France, Spain and to a lesser extent, Greece, Italy etc, is the massive number of expats with holiday homes out there, or living there, retired. They prop up a local economy which would otherwise be in free-fall. Those countries aren't going to do any damage to that particular golden goose any time soon.

My comment was in response to repeated bating of me about my house out here in very rural France.

neil-h

You missed an important detail there.

alcazar

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I suppose there's some of that in it, yes. But I don't think tariffs are a good idea per se.

BMWhere?

Yeah, the Spanish really love all the foreigners coming over and buying all the houses, forcing the prices up so the locals can't afford to buy any more! Then they do all their shopping in the local English shop and go out drinking in the English pubs supporting pretty much nothing except the ex-pat community over there!

JackClark

They should definitely ship them back here, we'll send some hard working EU nationals to replace them.

neil-h

That could be interesting, don't a lot of serious career criminals turn up in the ex pat communities in Spain?