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Dear All,
The referendum has been a battle of ideas between us, what is the best path for us as a country. I have been a part of that battle, I have been insulted and indeed have insulted others. I'm no saint, nor do I claim to be
The battle is now over. It would be easy for me to gloat and crow, to settle old scores. However 13 months ago, I was where you are now. I had banged the drum for UKIP, with an end result of 1 MP. That hurt, and it hurt badly. I suffered abuse here for being proven wrong.
I had to take it on the chin, there was no other option. The people had spoken. Reality had met my beliefs, and my beliefs were found to be flawed.
So I licked my wounds. I learnt quite a few lessons. I stood up again, didn't quit, came back on here to the jeers, and argued my case all over again.
I'll be honest. I had seen the very last polls on the night of the 22nd and it showed a 6 point lead for the Remain camp. I attended the count for my district on Thursday night. People asked me how I felt. My reply was "I fear for the worse and hope for the best".
It was a momentous night. A true roller coaster. I ended up driving home in tears.
The people have spoken. If you believe in democracy as I do, if you believe it is the fountain from which our freedom flows, then please, take a breath, take a good piece of reflection and understand that life is a journey, it has ups and downs.
This battle is over. What is needed now is careful thought on the best way to achieve what has been voted for. I dare say there will be disagreements over the way to proceed, but that is healthy. Ideas are tested and the weak ones discarded. But please, the name calling, the vitriol, the moaning and whining must end. We must work on this project together.
Finally as some of you may know I have have so many run-ins with Martin2005 that I have blocked his posts. However I did see one of them https://www.scoobynet.com/1035248-eu...l#post11850025 I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank you to Martin for that gracious post and he sets a positive example to us all. I highly commend his decency in his posting it. I know its not easy, but it takes a strong person to pick themselves up from a defeat like that. He is an example for us all
The referendum has been a battle of ideas between us, what is the best path for us as a country. I have been a part of that battle, I have been insulted and indeed have insulted others. I'm no saint, nor do I claim to be
The battle is now over. It would be easy for me to gloat and crow, to settle old scores. However 13 months ago, I was where you are now. I had banged the drum for UKIP, with an end result of 1 MP. That hurt, and it hurt badly. I suffered abuse here for being proven wrong.
I had to take it on the chin, there was no other option. The people had spoken. Reality had met my beliefs, and my beliefs were found to be flawed.
So I licked my wounds. I learnt quite a few lessons. I stood up again, didn't quit, came back on here to the jeers, and argued my case all over again.
I'll be honest. I had seen the very last polls on the night of the 22nd and it showed a 6 point lead for the Remain camp. I attended the count for my district on Thursday night. People asked me how I felt. My reply was "I fear for the worse and hope for the best".
It was a momentous night. A true roller coaster. I ended up driving home in tears.
The people have spoken. If you believe in democracy as I do, if you believe it is the fountain from which our freedom flows, then please, take a breath, take a good piece of reflection and understand that life is a journey, it has ups and downs.
This battle is over. What is needed now is careful thought on the best way to achieve what has been voted for. I dare say there will be disagreements over the way to proceed, but that is healthy. Ideas are tested and the weak ones discarded. But please, the name calling, the vitriol, the moaning and whining must end. We must work on this project together.
Finally as some of you may know I have have so many run-ins with Martin2005 that I have blocked his posts. However I did see one of them https://www.scoobynet.com/1035248-eu...l#post11850025 I would like to take this opportunity to say Thank you to Martin for that gracious post and he sets a positive example to us all. I highly commend his decency in his posting it. I know its not easy, but it takes a strong person to pick themselves up from a defeat like that. He is an example for us all
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Well you sound just like Boris. Insulting Cameron and lying for weeks but now kiss kiss and what's a trivial spat between old school chums. Makes me cringe.
Warren good try but the FACT is that it is you and your family that will suffer as this stupid decision bites.
David
Warren good try but the FACT is that it is you and your family that will suffer as this stupid decision bites.
David
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As David said, this is cringeworthy in the extreme. My toes literally curled as I read it. A patronising and transparent victory speech from a man who's helped reverse decades of progress and who then has the audacity to invite progressives to join him in the long march back to the dark ages. My faith commands that I forgive and in time, with God's grace, I will learn to. Until that time, should it come, I will work tirelessly to help undo the catastrophic mistake that our nation has made. I am a European.
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I can only say that there is only one way forward, and that's to get on with it, and hope it works out.
I've managed to get through the 5 stages of grief quite quickly, mainly because this is exactly where I thought we'd end up.
There are many things I can let slide, but I cannot for the life of me understand how you can feel comfortable with the actions of your party. Playing on peoples fears, and dividing a society to achieve political aims is unforgivable. UKIP don't give a toss about immigration, never have done, never will. At their core UKIP are just ideologues, radicalised by a misplaced sense of nationalism who wanted out of the EU come what may, immigrants and peoples fears were just collateral damage - I might just of lapsed back a couple of stages
I hope you invest as much energy into helping save our union over the coming years, because that is now in the most serious danger. I'll happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you on that one.
I can only say that there is only one way forward, and that's to get on with it, and hope it works out.
I've managed to get through the 5 stages of grief quite quickly, mainly because this is exactly where I thought we'd end up.
There are many things I can let slide, but I cannot for the life of me understand how you can feel comfortable with the actions of your party. Playing on peoples fears, and dividing a society to achieve political aims is unforgivable. UKIP don't give a toss about immigration, never have done, never will. At their core UKIP are just ideologues, radicalised by a misplaced sense of nationalism who wanted out of the EU come what may, immigrants and peoples fears were just collateral damage - I might just of lapsed back a couple of stages
I hope you invest as much energy into helping save our union over the coming years, because that is now in the most serious danger. I'll happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you on that one.
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I can only say that there is only one way forward, and that's to get on with it, and hope it works out.
I've managed to get through the 5 stages of grief quite quickly, mainly because this is exactly where I thought we'd end up.
There are many things I can let slide, but I cannot for the life of me understand how you can feel comfortable with the actions of your party. Playing on peoples fears, and dividing a society to achieve political aims is unforgivable. UKIP don't give a toss about immigration, never have done, never will. At their core UKIP are just ideologues, radicalised by a misplaced sense of nationalism who wanted out of the EU come what may, immigrants and peoples fears were just collateral damage - I might just of lapsed back a couple of stages
I hope you invest as much energy into helping save our union over the coming years, because that is now in the most serious danger. I'll happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you on that one.
I can only say that there is only one way forward, and that's to get on with it, and hope it works out.
I've managed to get through the 5 stages of grief quite quickly, mainly because this is exactly where I thought we'd end up.
There are many things I can let slide, but I cannot for the life of me understand how you can feel comfortable with the actions of your party. Playing on peoples fears, and dividing a society to achieve political aims is unforgivable. UKIP don't give a toss about immigration, never have done, never will. At their core UKIP are just ideologues, radicalised by a misplaced sense of nationalism who wanted out of the EU come what may, immigrants and peoples fears were just collateral damage - I might just of lapsed back a couple of stages
I hope you invest as much energy into helping save our union over the coming years, because that is now in the most serious danger. I'll happily stand shoulder to shoulder with you on that one.
Actually I dont think the Union is in nearly as much danger as you think, but that can be for another thread if you like, but I agree it is worth keeping
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-gove-eu-liars
I guess you didn't get invite to celebrate with these guys Warren ?
I guess you didn't get invite to celebrate with these guys Warren ?
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Jeff, you've moaned constantly for years about almost everything. Fellow remainers and I are in mourning over a divorce that's of catastrophic and global consequence and we wish to express our sorrow, our regret and our concern at this event on the very same forum you use to whine about trivia. Reflect on your hypocrisy.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-gove-eu-liars
I guess you didn't get invite to celebrate with these guys Warren ?
I guess you didn't get invite to celebrate with these guys Warren ?
But don't you think that BJ and NF were just far too compassionate and ever so decent to rub it in upset Camo's and broken hearted Remain camp's faces, and therefore they didn't have any champagne flowing celebrations on the show; to cheer the historic 'Independence Day' that they so longed for? Yeah, right.
Perhaps they did have hidden celebrations. Come on, Farage was publicly ecstatic on Friday morning and was demanding a bank holiday. There's no way he could have held back his joy from sharing with his followers.
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Very good article by Nick Cohen on this issue.
But don't you think that BJ and NF were just far too compassionate and ever so decent to rub it in upset Camo's and broken hearted Remain camp's faces, and therefore they didn't have any champagne flowing celebrations on the show; to cheer the historic 'Independence Day' that they so longed for? Yeah, right.
Perhaps they did have hidden celebrations. Come on, Farage was publicly ecstatic on Friday morning and was demanding a bank holiday. There's no way he could have held back his joy from sharing with his followers.
But don't you think that BJ and NF were just far too compassionate and ever so decent to rub it in upset Camo's and broken hearted Remain camp's faces, and therefore they didn't have any champagne flowing celebrations on the show; to cheer the historic 'Independence Day' that they so longed for? Yeah, right.
Perhaps they did have hidden celebrations. Come on, Farage was publicly ecstatic on Friday morning and was demanding a bank holiday. There's no way he could have held back his joy from sharing with his followers.
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Perhaps there is plan of action. Perhaps it involves:
1. Get Cameron out = DONE
2. Break the country = in process; in progress
3. Break Labour = in process; in progress
4. Get foreigners out = blind voters' priority and a USP but that will have to wait
5. Country in regress = perceive it as progress
......and so on.
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What I object to is having the Union Flag waved in my face like it's some kind of victory symbol.
The Union Flag is my flag, I have only ever thought of myself as British. Most of the people I know now waving the flag, never identified with that it, they would only describe themselves as English. I do wish they'd knock it off.
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All this has done is shown the power of marketing to the clueless.
If I wasn't so upset I'd be enjoying the meltdown of those that started this campaign.
If I wasn't so upset I'd be enjoying the meltdown of those that started this campaign.
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All part of the plan isn't it , north England wants division from London and south east . Scotland Ireland Wales are off already . Special enclave of Surrey for the ultra nationalists