Apple really looking to be in trouble
#91
Was an Apple fan boi since the iPhone first launched. Got an iPhone 6 when it was released, waited months for a jailbreak, got fed up waiting for a team to release a working jb so gave it to my son.
Went and purchased a Nexus 6P. Eats all iPhonings for breakfast, luncheon and dinner!
Apple are no longer brining anything new to the table, and the fact that they are so protective over their iOS means that for a power user such as myself, without a working jailbreak iOS is somewhat 'limited'.
Of course with a pure Android phone such as the 6P. I can do what the hell I want with it.
Nexus 6P vs iPhone 6S
Went and purchased a Nexus 6P. Eats all iPhonings for breakfast, luncheon and dinner!
Apple are no longer brining anything new to the table, and the fact that they are so protective over their iOS means that for a power user such as myself, without a working jailbreak iOS is somewhat 'limited'.
Of course with a pure Android phone such as the 6P. I can do what the hell I want with it.
Nexus 6P vs iPhone 6S
They have done unbelievable well to hoodwink people up to now, Charging people almost $700 for a IPhone 6 That costs $190 to make and as pointed out in an earlier post has tech from 2012.
As shown here by Dozza the large powerful Android devices simply eat and **** all over any offering from Apple.
http://www.gsmarena.com/galaxy_note5...eview-1363.php
No doubt Jack will harp on about speed, oh is the IPhone 6 not faster than these powerful Android devices. Well it is to an extent, primarily due to the fact the processing power of the Apple has ancient relic of a display to work upon compared to displays found on the Nexus 6P and Note 5 (which clearly have far more pixel density and more rendering required to get the same results as found on the Apple).
Plus the software (iOS) is basically optimised for a single phone. - Compared to say all the different Versions of Android and all the different phones out there with different hardware.
Apple is behind the times and left in its wake by not just Samsung in terms of tech but Nexus, Xiaomi etc.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyols.../#5b20ebc361d7
Last edited by toffee_pie; 29 August 2016 at 08:47 AM.
#92
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You're throwing custard pie in your own face now, that's a new one.
Why would I want a phone with bigger numbers that's slower than a year old iPhone by your admission? Nuts.
Your price complaint makes me laugh too, Android devices are comparable in price to Apple but at resale are worthless.
You're now my favourite Fandroid, Custard Toffee Pie... in your face.
Why would I want a phone with bigger numbers that's slower than a year old iPhone by your admission? Nuts.
Your price complaint makes me laugh too, Android devices are comparable in price to Apple but at resale are worthless.
You're now my favourite Fandroid, Custard Toffee Pie... in your face.
#93
You're throwing custard pie in your own face now, that's a new one.
Why would I want a phone with bigger numbers that's slower than a year old iPhone by your admission? Nuts.
Your price complaint makes me laugh too, Android devices are comparable in price to Apple but at resale are worthless.
You're now my favourite Fandroid, Custard Toffee Pie... in your face.
Why would I want a phone with bigger numbers that's slower than a year old iPhone by your admission? Nuts.
Your price complaint makes me laugh too, Android devices are comparable in price to Apple but at resale are worthless.
You're now my favourite Fandroid, Custard Toffee Pie... in your face.
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#95
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You can't walk in here slagging off Apple products and expect not to be challenged.
#96
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You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.
#97
Hardly brainwashed, everything I've stated is evidence based and derived from experience. I'm sat here using an 8 year old iMac that runs better than the new Windows machine I bought a month ago and using a 2 year old iPhone that performs better than your new Android based device. That's not brainwashed, that's fact.
You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.
You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.
Apple charge a kings ransom for tech that is ancient, recent sales show that even hard core apple users might be wising up and moving to android phones.
Iphone 7 will probable have a 1080p display..that it until it agrees to use AMOLED screens from Samsung in its newer models.
Last edited by toffee_pie; 29 August 2016 at 10:09 AM.
#98
Hardly brainwashed, everything I've stated is evidence based and derived from experience. I'm sat here using an 8 year old iMac that runs better than the new Windows machine I bought a month ago and using a 2 year old iPhone that performs better than your new Android based device. That's not brainwashed, that's fact.
You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.
You're a victim of marketing, you fully believe that big numbers are better, Samsung are great at marketing I just wish they'd spend some of that money keeping their devices up to date instead of just dumping users in less than a year.
If you like devices easy and simply to use then an Iphone is probably ideal for you. But like the Nexus user here once you move to Android its a different ball game.
mind you, i need to re consider my next phone looking at the worthless resale values of these Androids.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_od...kw=s7&_sacat=0
Last edited by toffee_pie; 29 August 2016 at 10:23 AM.
#99
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It's not science fiction. Recent android devices are much better than what apple have. Far far more powerful, displays that make a mockery of iphones and phones that are not restrictive. I can copy huge full hd movies from my synology NAS to my phone and watch them for when i am out. Likewise i can dump all my tunes onto it with no messing around with stupid apple tunes or restrictions.
Apple charge a kings ransom for tech that is ancient, recent sales show that even hard core apple users might be wising up and moving to android phones.
Iphone 7 will probable have a 1080p display..that it until it agrees to use AMOLED screens from Samsung in its newer models.
Apple charge a kings ransom for tech that is ancient, recent sales show that even hard core apple users might be wising up and moving to android phones.
Iphone 7 will probable have a 1080p display..that it until it agrees to use AMOLED screens from Samsung in its newer models.
Point 2) So can I, if I had a collection of pirate movies which I don't. I have a few of my own movies that I can watch using VLC, plays everything.
Point 3) Ancient. Just one example would be force touch, which you might get in a few years time. And lets not forget that in a few days time you'll be seeing a few more features that you'll get on a few devices in a few years time.
Point 4) 1080p display, that will be great, unlike your devices the marketing department don't decide what resolution to use - big numbers are best right - Apple will use a display that they can reliably support.
I'm running out of pies here, I did think you'd give up by now but the Fandroid is strong in you.
#102
Point 1) "Much Better" You need to watch that video again, your devices are trounced in real world tests, not sure why you can't see that, must be the pie in your eyes.
if you take a deep breath for a moment i will explain once more.
These tests are not really indicitave of real world use because of 2 main reasons, 1 being the fact all Apple Hardware is configured to work with a single OS (and thus optimized), Whereas Androids come in multitude of different types all with different hardware and many with different types of software.
Understood?
Also I said it a few times, the display on the IPhone 6 is rubbish, the nexus of 2012 had a display that good. What does that have to do with things? quite a lot actually since with a weak display the hardware can do tasks much faster (on a IPhone), unlike Apple most Android Phones are in the 21st century with modern up to date hardware. The screens on the Nexus 6, Note 5, Note 7 and Galaxy S7 have displays with much higher resolution so the hardware has much more processing work to do.
All that is probably far too much for an IPhone user to comprehend but dont let it worry you too much.
Point 2) So can I, if I had a collection of pirate movies which I don't. I have a few of my own movies that I can watch using VLC, plays everything.
My KM Player plays everything too, including 1080P films with DTS sound. 7 or 10GB+ size.? no problem. Try doing that on an Iphone and it would choke.
Point 3) Ancient. Just one example would be force touch, which you might get in a few years time. And lets not forget that in a few days time you'll be seeing a few more features that you'll get on a few devices in a few years time.
Full HD screens would be an improvement for IPhone users, plus a battery life of 3 days like a Galaxy Note.
Apple probably have smarted up on the IPhone 6 and wont launch a IPhone 7 with 16GB of memory, they might increase the RAM to more than 2GB also.
All that plus built in wireless charging might be asking for too much.
Point 4) 1080p display, that will be great, unlike your devices the marketing department don't decide what resolution to use - big numbers are best right - Apple will use a display that they can reliably support.
Apple needs third party companies to do most of the hardware, they are going to need Samsung or someone else to make displays for people in the 21st century.
looks like people like the Galaxy S7 going by its sales, clearly it will take alot to convince you as you are an extreme Apple fanatic.
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile...-nougat-update
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple...-down-3581769/
I'm running out of pies here, I did think you'd give up by now but the Fandroid is strong in you.
if you take a deep breath for a moment i will explain once more.
These tests are not really indicitave of real world use because of 2 main reasons, 1 being the fact all Apple Hardware is configured to work with a single OS (and thus optimized), Whereas Androids come in multitude of different types all with different hardware and many with different types of software.
Understood?
Also I said it a few times, the display on the IPhone 6 is rubbish, the nexus of 2012 had a display that good. What does that have to do with things? quite a lot actually since with a weak display the hardware can do tasks much faster (on a IPhone), unlike Apple most Android Phones are in the 21st century with modern up to date hardware. The screens on the Nexus 6, Note 5, Note 7 and Galaxy S7 have displays with much higher resolution so the hardware has much more processing work to do.
All that is probably far too much for an IPhone user to comprehend but dont let it worry you too much.
Point 2) So can I, if I had a collection of pirate movies which I don't. I have a few of my own movies that I can watch using VLC, plays everything.
My KM Player plays everything too, including 1080P films with DTS sound. 7 or 10GB+ size.? no problem. Try doing that on an Iphone and it would choke.
Point 3) Ancient. Just one example would be force touch, which you might get in a few years time. And lets not forget that in a few days time you'll be seeing a few more features that you'll get on a few devices in a few years time.
Full HD screens would be an improvement for IPhone users, plus a battery life of 3 days like a Galaxy Note.
Apple probably have smarted up on the IPhone 6 and wont launch a IPhone 7 with 16GB of memory, they might increase the RAM to more than 2GB also.
All that plus built in wireless charging might be asking for too much.
Point 4) 1080p display, that will be great, unlike your devices the marketing department don't decide what resolution to use - big numbers are best right - Apple will use a display that they can reliably support.
Apple needs third party companies to do most of the hardware, they are going to need Samsung or someone else to make displays for people in the 21st century.
looks like people like the Galaxy S7 going by its sales, clearly it will take alot to convince you as you are an extreme Apple fanatic.
http://www.knowyourmobile.com/mobile...-nougat-update
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/apple...-down-3581769/
I'm running out of pies here, I did think you'd give up by now but the Fandroid is strong in you.
Last edited by toffee_pie; 29 August 2016 at 11:40 AM.
#103
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if you take a deep breath for a moment i will explain once more.
These tests are not really indicitave of real world use because of 2 main reasons, 1 being the fact all Apple Hardware is configured to work with a single OS (and thus optimized), Whereas Androids come in multitude of different types all with different hardware and many with different types of software.
Understood?
These tests are not really indicitave of real world use because of 2 main reasons, 1 being the fact all Apple Hardware is configured to work with a single OS (and thus optimized), Whereas Androids come in multitude of different types all with different hardware and many with different types of software.
Understood?
#104
living the dream, like i said.
2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016. A company playing catchup with all the big players and people no longer fooled by the apple marketing ploy of releasing underwhelming over priced devices year after year.
its good that they have at least one fan.
2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016. A company playing catchup with all the big players and people no longer fooled by the apple marketing ploy of releasing underwhelming over priced devices year after year.
its good that they have at least one fan.
#105
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#107
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living the dream, like i said.
2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016. A company playing catchup with all the big players and people no longer fooled by the apple marketing ploy of releasing underwhelming over priced devices year after year.
its good that they have at least one fan.
2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016. A company playing catchup with all the big players and people no longer fooled by the apple marketing ploy of releasing underwhelming over priced devices year after year.
its good that they have at least one fan.
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"2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016."
The Wall Street Journal
When Apple announced its previous results three months ago, the company said it expected to make between $41 and $43 billion in revenue in the third quarter of fiscal 2016, with profit margins between 37.5 and 38 percent. Actual results were near the top end of the estimates; gross margin was 38 percent."
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Your explanation was that iPhones are faster in real world tests because Apple write the operating system and produce the hardware and you're right. But that doesn't explain how in another breath you state that Apple devices can't compete with Android devices, how your Samsung takes a **** on the iPhone 6s which has technology from 2012. Don't you see the contradiction?
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Ill give a couple of examples.
Call recording. All of my calls are recorded when made on my 6P. And I mean recorded direct to the device, not to some dodgy offshore data centre! There are apps available for iOS that will record your calls, but these use a remote service that is neither secure, or free. With Android, there are many apps that can record with incoming and outgoing calls direct to the device. Secure and easily available.
Security apps such as firewalls are not available on iOS, but readily available on Android. As I administrate several different websites and networks for various clients, security is of paramount importance to me. iOS cannot provide me with the security features that I need.
There are many other reasons why I now choose Android over iOS, but those are at the top of my list.
Oh and your link seems to be just a list of specs and I totally agree, lots of Android based devices have bigger numbers but that's a bit like saying a 1936 Cubit car is better than a Ferrari LaFerrari because it has a bigger engine capacity and more doors and seats, I posted a real world live test above, can you comment on that?
All I can tell you without linking to several different Youtube videos showing speed tests between the two phones, of which the 6P always wins, is that for me, the 6P is faster than the 6S, only marginally, but its still faster.
Battery life is also vastly improved for me, and charging is ultra quick.
I used to love iOS, my partner uses it, she loves it, my son uses it, he loves it. And for run of the mill average users, yes, its an excellent interface with an excellent feature set.
On the whole, the range of iPhones do have superior build quality to most other manufacturers, if you ignore the bending issues that is, some Android phones bend also. But yes, generally iPhones are more aesthetically pleasing and appear to be of a higher quality. If I compare the build quality of the 6S vs my 6P, the iPhone wins hands down.
With all that said, to say iOS better than Android is just madness, as it simply cant compete. The biggest issue is Open vs Closed sourced in my opinion.
Last edited by DoZZa; 29 August 2016 at 06:24 PM.
#112
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As a ex security professional and web developer myself I wouldn't touch Android or Windows with a barge pole, quite surprised by your statement.
You should probably check the legality of recording calls, especially on such an insecure device.
You should probably check the legality of recording calls, especially on such an insecure device.
#113
Incidentally I have been using android since the early galaxy phones, coupled with the Nexus 2013 my missus uses, the number of times I have been hacked into or had my bank account wiped?
thats right, I am still waiting to get taken to the cleaners. This nonsense about Android being insecure is bollox, anyone who uses the 2 step verification on google or authenticitation apps that come with almost all devices and regularly installs updates has little chance of getting hacked into.
You clearly are working full time on this thread so take your time and get a coffee before replying, or ask Siri for help.
#114
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Jack, seriously put a sock in it. The IPhone 6 is a relic in terms of Hardware, its years out dated. Lets see how far behind Apple are with the IPhone 7.
Incidentally I have been using android since the early galaxy phones, coupled with the Nexus 2013 my missus uses, the number of times I have been hacked into or had my bank account wiped?
thats right, I am still waiting to get taken to the cleaners. This nonsense about Android being insecure is bollox, anyone who uses the 2 step verification on google or authenticitation apps that come with almost all devices and regularly installs updates has little chance of getting hacked into.
You clearly are working full time on this thread so take your time and get a coffee before replying, or ask Siri for help.
Incidentally I have been using android since the early galaxy phones, coupled with the Nexus 2013 my missus uses, the number of times I have been hacked into or had my bank account wiped?
thats right, I am still waiting to get taken to the cleaners. This nonsense about Android being insecure is bollox, anyone who uses the 2 step verification on google or authenticitation apps that come with almost all devices and regularly installs updates has little chance of getting hacked into.
You clearly are working full time on this thread so take your time and get a coffee before replying, or ask Siri for help.
#115
Your explanation was that iPhones are faster in real world tests because Apple write the operating system and produce the hardware and you're right. But that doesn't explain how in another breath you state that Apple devices can't compete with Android devices, how your Samsung takes a **** on the iPhone 6s which has technology from 2012. Don't you see the contradiction?
see where i am getting to.
actually dont compare them to a new samsung compare them to models a few year old...
IPhones are years out dated and thanks to mugs like you paying top dollar Apple have became one of the richest companies on the planet.
#116
Have another custard pie. https://www.sophos.com/en-us/securit...n-android.aspx
https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...d-party-repair
#117
you should probably take some time out from here before you spontaneously combust.
#118
This is a great one.
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"2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016."
The Wall Street Journal
When Apple announced its previous results three months ago, the company said it expected to make between $41 and $43 billion in revenue in the third quarter of fiscal 2016, with profit margins between 37.5 and 38 percent. Actual results were near the top end of the estimates; gross margin was 38 percent."
Random nomark on Scoobynet
"2 successive quarter losses for Apple, and possible the entire 2016."
The Wall Street Journal
When Apple announced its previous results three months ago, the company said it expected to make between $41 and $43 billion in revenue in the third quarter of fiscal 2016, with profit margins between 37.5 and 38 percent. Actual results were near the top end of the estimates; gross margin was 38 percent."
'Apple is far from out for the count, but it's true that times are changing for the company after the poorest performing quarter since anyone can remember in Q1 2016.'
'Apple Q3 2016 financial results | Apple earnings report: iPhone and Mac sales fall, overall revenue down, but Tim Cook talks up 'encouraging signs'
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Have another custard pie. https://www.sophos.com/en-us/securit...n-android.aspx