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24 March 2016, 08:25 AM
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Short term they are expanding their 'caliphate', simultaneously vastly increasing their wealth to fund their military ambitions. The terrorist attacks are intended to provoke the West into a massive land war. As predicted in the Koran, Isis believes this will bring about the end of the world in its present form; ultimately the overthrow of western supremacy and the end of Christendom. So nothing too ambitious then!
24 March 2016, 08:32 AM
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A couple of points which are on my mind.
1) Molenbeek - a haven for extremism. Years ago the Belgium government took the approach of social workers taking on this place to make it a happy, intergrated playground and the police never bothered with it. Now it has gone too far and they created a monster (or at least let the monster grow). They never went in heavy due to fear of being hauled before the ECHR. To be honest I think Belgian government need to be able to suspend the Human Rights shield in instances like this in the interest of the good of the greater populations and go in and sort that ****hole place out.
2) These two brothers.....have you seen their record? Armed-robbery, carjacking, shootouts with the police etc.....insane.
3) lack of "outing" by their peers. I know muslims who I speak to here in Holland and they all say the same "I would never do it [kill or be a terrorist] but then if i ask them if they condemn it, then never say they do. Always that they understand the terrorist frustrations and they they have no outlet as they feel they are supressed but they would never do it themselves. I say Saudi Arabia and other countries embrace Sharia so that is always an option.....then it is silence.
1) Molenbeek - a haven for extremism. Years ago the Belgium government took the approach of social workers taking on this place to make it a happy, intergrated playground and the police never bothered with it. Now it has gone too far and they created a monster (or at least let the monster grow). They never went in heavy due to fear of being hauled before the ECHR. To be honest I think Belgian government need to be able to suspend the Human Rights shield in instances like this in the interest of the good of the greater populations and go in and sort that ****hole place out.
2) These two brothers.....have you seen their record? Armed-robbery, carjacking, shootouts with the police etc.....insane.
3) lack of "outing" by their peers. I know muslims who I speak to here in Holland and they all say the same "I would never do it [kill or be a terrorist] but then if i ask them if they condemn it, then never say they do. Always that they understand the terrorist frustrations and they they have no outlet as they feel they are supressed but they would never do it themselves. I say Saudi Arabia and other countries embrace Sharia so that is always an option.....then it is silence.
24 March 2016, 09:10 AM
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Short term they are expanding their 'caliphate', simultaneously vastly increasing their wealth to fund their military ambitions. The terrorist attacks are intended to provoke the West into a massive land war. As predicted in the Koran, Isis believes this will bring about the end of the world in its present form; ultimately the overthrow of western supremacy and the end of Christendom. So nothing too ambitious then!
24 March 2016, 09:40 AM
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The biggest problem here is the fact that when someone does speak out honestly about this situation, and dares to mention a race linked to ISIS and terrorism, the race card is played. It's not racism, it's basic common sense.
24 March 2016, 11:46 AM
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There's a lot been made recently about some chocolate firms removing the "Easter" wording from chocolate Easter eggs.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
24 March 2016, 12:54 PM
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A couple of points which are on my mind.
1) Molenbeek - a haven for extremism. Years ago the Belgium government took the approach of social workers taking on this place to make it a happy, intergrated playground and the police never bothered with it. Now it has gone too far and they created a monster (or at least let the monster grow). They never went in heavy due to fear of being hauled before the ECHR. To be honest I think Belgian government need to be able to suspend the Human Rights shield in instances like this in the interest of the good of the greater populations and go in and sort that ****hole place out.
1) Molenbeek - a haven for extremism. Years ago the Belgium government took the approach of social workers taking on this place to make it a happy, intergrated playground and the police never bothered with it. Now it has gone too far and they created a monster (or at least let the monster grow). They never went in heavy due to fear of being hauled before the ECHR. To be honest I think Belgian government need to be able to suspend the Human Rights shield in instances like this in the interest of the good of the greater populations and go in and sort that ****hole place out.
I didn't know that, but I do know that Belgium's administration is quite fragmented, in that there are multiple administrations that look after their own little area with a narrow perspective which doesn't look beyond its own boundary, there are multiple police command areas within Brussels itself the communication between them is not good. Their intelligence service collate information but are unwilling to share it with police, because there is distrust and consequentially limited communication between them. I looked at some work with Belgian police in a number of years back, the lack of joined-up thinking or any form of strategic vision was quite shocking. I found there were almost 200 police forces in Belgium, each with its own commander, and governed by the Mayor for the area - the crazy thing was as long as things weren't happening on their patch they didn't care, if it was in a neighbouring zone, it was someone else's problem, and I saw no evidence of interoperability and no strategic governance which would have required it.
I recently heard Molenbeek refered to as Jihadistan, and the Jihadi capital of Europe - this made me think back to the 'good old bad old days' in Northern Ireland where certain parts of Belfast, Londonderry and border towns were the so called bastions of the IRA. The reality was there were a small core of motivated, disenfranchised and dangerous individuals who lived in those areas, they were supported by small numbers in their community (iceberg effect), and feared by many in their community which was dressed up to look like support. I have not been to Molenbeek but I suspect the situation is similar.
In a coffee shop chat with an elderly lady who left Belgium in the 70's she told me that the core of this problem stems from Saudi Arabia being invited to build a large Mosque in Belgium, which was on its knees financially at the time and formed a deal with the Saudis for oil; this facilitated an open door for large numbers of religious leaders who followed Salafist Islam which 'fired up' as she put it, the Moroccan immigrants who endured a standard of living lower than that of native Belgians. She finished the conversation saying that it was the price to be paid for having a liberal do what you like mindset.
24 March 2016, 12:54 PM
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There's a lot been made recently about some chocolate firms removing the "Easter" wording from chocolate Easter eggs.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
'; delicious to eat after breaking into pieces. 
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24 March 2016, 01:23 PM
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My God! That's going beyond the joke! I don't think any West dwelling Muslim;may he/she be a mild, moderate or extreme one, gives a flying hoot if Easter is worded on a chocolate egg! some of you really need to stop believing the shyte that the media highlights. Next you'd be telling that the chocolate forms may be re-labelling their Easter eggs as 'Bin Laden's Very Own Head '; delicious to eat after breaking into pieces.
'; delicious to eat after breaking into pieces. It is a sophisticated marketing move to put the damn things on sale before Christmas and keep them on the shelves until Halloween!
24 March 2016, 01:40 PM
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There's a lot been made recently about some chocolate firms removing the "Easter" wording from chocolate Easter eggs.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
Surely all they are doing is patronising moderate Muslims (or other denominations for that matter) by indirectly labeling them intolerant or insular?
It's the same with the ban of the St George and withdrawing the sale of Pork products in some establishments/areas.
It's a disgrace and the manufacturers should be ashamed of themselves. Similarly a council local to me decided to have no Christmas street decorations in case it offended non believers. Isis will doubtless be delighted to see the gradual crumbling of the Christian faith.
24 March 2016, 01:42 PM
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Most possibly. And therefore, there's no need to culturally traumatising the Muslims with thin air constucts, as per the information in Matt's post.
24 March 2016, 01:56 PM
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About the crumbling of the Christian faith, how about seeing it from another angle when this 'crumbling of the Christian faith' is taking place due to its own supposed followers discarding it? How about people hanging Christmas decs not for any faith at all but for mere aeasthetics and consumerism? I think we need to face the facts here, and not blame the Muslims for everthing. The suposed-to-be Chrisitians only get their goat bleating when some other faith starts bleating about itself. Otherwise, these supposed-to-be non-faith Chrsitians don't give a f**k to the Chrsitianity, lets face it!
LOL It's like ignoring your gf/wife and not making love to her, and getting all possessive of her only when another man looks at her with admiration.
24 March 2016, 02:18 PM
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I'm afraid there's a limit to how much one can submit to the irrationality, in response to the irrationaity. The council local to you needs to small the coffee and wake up. ISIS may be delighted to see the crumbling of the Christian faith but not all Muslims living in that council are ISIS. I don't think they mind whether the council hangs Christmas decs or even bananas on a tree!
About the crumbling of the Christian faith, how about seeing it from another angle when this 'crumbling of the Christian faith' is taking place due to its own supposed followers discarding it? How about people hanging Christmas decs not for any faith at all but for mere aeasthetics and consumerism? I think we need to face the facts here, and not blame the Muslims for everthing. The suposed-to-be Chrisitians only get their goat bleating when some other faith starts bleating about itself. Otherwise, these supposed-to-be non-faith Chrsitians don't give a f**k to the Chrsitianity, lets face it!
LOL It's like ignoring your gf/wife and not making love to her, and getting all possessive of her only when another man looks at her with admiration.
About the crumbling of the Christian faith, how about seeing it from another angle when this 'crumbling of the Christian faith' is taking place due to its own supposed followers discarding it? How about people hanging Christmas decs not for any faith at all but for mere aeasthetics and consumerism? I think we need to face the facts here, and not blame the Muslims for everthing. The suposed-to-be Chrisitians only get their goat bleating when some other faith starts bleating about itself. Otherwise, these supposed-to-be non-faith Chrsitians don't give a f**k to the Chrsitianity, lets face it!
LOL It's like ignoring your gf/wife and not making love to her, and getting all possessive of her only when another man looks at her with admiration.
I don't believe I blamed Muslims for anything, rather the spineless behaviour of a council and egg manufacturers who are concerned about offending other faiths. I agree that few so-called Christians ever attend a church in the UK except for weddings, Christenings and funerals, but that doesn't mean they would wish to be steamrollered into the Muslim faith either, should Isis ever achieve its goals.
24 March 2016, 02:20 PM
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One of the latest 'scare' to stay is the a senior Europol officer said that vital criminal database could be withheld from the UK authorities.!
Like the UK would want such a current and active list of criminal/ terrorists when the EU don't use it.
It probably has my great granny on it who died 30 years ago
Like the UK would want such a current and active list of criminal/ terrorists when the EU don't use it.
It probably has my great granny on it who died 30 years ago
24 March 2016, 02:24 PM
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One of the latest 'scare' to stay is the a senior Europol officer said that vital criminal database could be withheld from the UK authorities.!
Like the UK would want such a current and active list of criminal/ terrorists when the EU don't use it.
It probably has my great granny on it who died 30 years ago
Like the UK would want such a current and active list of criminal/ terrorists when the EU don't use it.
It probably has my great granny on it who died 30 years ago
Why, was she a terrorist?
24 March 2016, 02:48 PM
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The IRA were more political than religious, not condoning them but different animal most bombings were disruptive and coded warnings were giving in most cases. Not cowardly sneak suicide maximum injury inflicting acts of terror. The support came from some people wanting " their" country back not take over someone else's.
And if you don't think they were cowardly then you and I have a different idea as to what a coward is.
The IRA are/were the same as ISIS, cowardly scumbag terrorists. End of.
24 March 2016, 02:48 PM
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I didn't know that, but I do know that Belgium's administration is quite fragmented, in that there are multiple administrations that look after their own little area with a narrow perspective which doesn't look beyond its own boundary, there are multiple police command areas within Brussels itself the communication between them is not good. Their intelligence service collate information but are unwilling to share it with police, because there is distrust and consequentially limited communication between them. I looked at some work with Belgian police in a number of years back, the lack of joined-up thinking or any form of strategic vision was quite shocking. I found there were almost 200 police forces in Belgium, each with its own commander, and governed by the Mayor for the area - the crazy thing was as long as things weren't happening on their patch they didn't care, if it was in a neighbouring zone, it was someone else's problem, and I saw no evidence of interoperability and no strategic governance which would have required it.
I recently heard Molenbeek refered to as Jihadistan, and the Jihadi capital of Europe - this made me think back to the 'good old bad old days' in Northern Ireland where certain parts of Belfast, Londonderry and border towns were the so called bastions of the IRA. The reality was there were a small core of motivated, disenfranchised and dangerous individuals who lived in those areas, they were supported by small numbers in their community (iceberg effect), and feared by many in their community which was dressed up to look like support. I have not been to Molenbeek but I suspect the situation is similar.
In a coffee shop chat with an elderly lady who left Belgium in the 70's she told me that the core of this problem stems from Saudi Arabia being invited to build a large Mosque in Belgium, which was on its knees financially at the time and formed a deal with the Saudis for oil; this facilitated an open door for large numbers of religious leaders who followed Salafist Islam which 'fired up' as she put it, the Moroccan immigrants who endured a standard of living lower than that of native Belgians. She finished the conversation saying that it was the price to be paid for having a liberal do what you like mindset.
I recently heard Molenbeek refered to as Jihadistan, and the Jihadi capital of Europe - this made me think back to the 'good old bad old days' in Northern Ireland where certain parts of Belfast, Londonderry and border towns were the so called bastions of the IRA. The reality was there were a small core of motivated, disenfranchised and dangerous individuals who lived in those areas, they were supported by small numbers in their community (iceberg effect), and feared by many in their community which was dressed up to look like support. I have not been to Molenbeek but I suspect the situation is similar.
In a coffee shop chat with an elderly lady who left Belgium in the 70's she told me that the core of this problem stems from Saudi Arabia being invited to build a large Mosque in Belgium, which was on its knees financially at the time and formed a deal with the Saudis for oil; this facilitated an open door for large numbers of religious leaders who followed Salafist Islam which 'fired up' as she put it, the Moroccan immigrants who endured a standard of living lower than that of native Belgians. She finished the conversation saying that it was the price to be paid for having a liberal do what you like mindset.
This is a lesson we should learn, that this governance and ideoleogy of tolerance and equality only works if those it is applied to are benign individuals. If the individual is a monster, he/she will simply be allowed more freedom to commit attrocities. It seems Belgium has spent many year as a over-departmentalised and politically ignorant country.
It does make we wonder, when we saw the reverse of this, say, the Ethnic clensing in Bosnia. A build of of intolerance that created a seperatist government that exited to drive out the Bosniaks and Serbs. After the western world saw this, in addition what Germany did in WWII holocuast etc, that Europe has since become over-liberal and tolerant society that has become the safe haven for the non-tolerant and extermists.
24 March 2016, 03:07 PM
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24 March 2016, 03:15 PM
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Oh FFS not this **** again. When will you people stop being so braindead as to be suckered in by nonsense like this. There is no great move to remove the word Easter from anything or to cancel Christmas. It's all bollocks deisgned to stir up the stiupud! Please please try and locate your braincell to register this! Ta
Ha, Fanny's re-emerged spouting her usual bile! There's plenty of info on this if you'd care to look, you half witted tw@t. Love & kisses by the way
24 March 2016, 03:17 PM
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Oh FFS not this **** again. When will you people stop being so braindead as to be suckered in by nonsense like this. There is no great move to remove the word Easter from anything or to cancel Christmas. It's all bollocks deisgned to stir up the stiupud! Please please try and locate your braincell to register this! Ta
Appears there's a school down in Bondi where the Head has removed the word 'Easter' from the school's Hat Parade....
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...4a131afab97697
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...dc169caf5756c3
“As we are an inclusive community which celebrates our diverse range of cultures and beliefs I have not called it an Easter Hat parade,” the principal wrote in the school’s newsletter at the time.
“Many religious celebrations occur at this time of year but we want to include all students in any celebration at school. Teachers will talk to students about the different celebrations and the emphasis will be on tolerance and understanding.”
“Many religious celebrations occur at this time of year but we want to include all students in any celebration at school. Teachers will talk to students about the different celebrations and the emphasis will be on tolerance and understanding.”
24 March 2016, 04:08 PM
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I don't believe I blamed Muslims for anything, rather the spineless behaviour of a council and egg manufacturers who are concerned about offending other faiths. I agree that few so-called Christians ever attend a church in the UK except for weddings, Christenings and funerals, but that doesn't mean they would wish to be steamrollered into the Muslim faith either, should Isis ever achieve its goals.
Regarding Islam steamrollering the non-faithers, I'd like to know how it has steamrollered. I've never seen a number of mosques growing abnormally in the UK. I don't buy that 'steamrollerng' bit because I lived in London, worked/still work quite a bit in multicultiral areas such as Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham, Rochdale and Dewsbury but never seen any Muslim slogans on the billboards or Christian posters being replaced by their Muhammad banners. I've never seen any Muslims out to convert the non-faith audience into Muslims, with distributing their Allah-O-Akbar leaflets and knocking like Johobas on people's doors. Yes, the areas saturarted with the Asians have changed in scenery. For example, I was livid to see plastic bags flying all over the place in a Rochdale area once!
I was very embarrassed to see the Asian boys acting rowdy in certain areas of Manchester where I once went to buy some Indian sweets. But they live in that area, so what do we expect. Well, tbh I DO expect them to keep the place clean and stop making those streets like a mini Pakistan, but you see similar when you see the ex-pat areas in Eastern countries. They westernise the areas they reside in, don't they? If Islam is being felt as invasive and crushing like a steamroller, then imo that's to do with having negligible following of the local faith i.e. Christianity on the grounds.
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Appears there's a school down in Bondi where the Head has removed the word 'Easter' from the school's Hat Parade....
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...4a131afab97697
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...dc169caf5756c3
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...4a131afab97697
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...dc169caf5756c3
24 March 2016, 04:42 PM
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Im with you on recognising the council spineless on the issue, Paben.
Regarding Islam steamrollering the non-faithers, I'd like to know how it has steamrollered. I've never seen a number of mosques growing abnormally in the UK. I don't buy that 'steamrollerng' bit because I lived in London, worked/still work quite a bit in multicultiral areas such as Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham, Rochdale and Dewsbury but never seen any Muslim slogans on the billboards or Christian posters being replaced by their Muhammad banners. I've never seen any Muslims out to convert the non-faith audience into Muslims, with distributing their Allah-O-Akbar leaflets and knocking like Johobas on people's doors. Yes, the areas saturarted with the Asians have changed in scenery. For example, I was livid to see plastic bags flying all over the place in a Rochdale area once! I was very embarrassed to see the Asian boys acting rowdy in certain areas of Manchester where I once went to buy some Indian sweets. But they live in that area, so what do we expect. Well, tbh I DO expect them to keep the place clean and stop making those streets like a mini Pakistan, but you see similar when you see the ex-pat areas in Eastern countries. They westernise the areas they reside in, don't they? If Islam is being felt as invasive and crushing like a steamroller, then imo that's to do with having negligible following of the local faith i.e. Christianity on the grounds.
Regarding Islam steamrollering the non-faithers, I'd like to know how it has steamrollered. I've never seen a number of mosques growing abnormally in the UK. I don't buy that 'steamrollerng' bit because I lived in London, worked/still work quite a bit in multicultiral areas such as Manchester, Bradford, Birmingham, Rochdale and Dewsbury but never seen any Muslim slogans on the billboards or Christian posters being replaced by their Muhammad banners. I've never seen any Muslims out to convert the non-faith audience into Muslims, with distributing their Allah-O-Akbar leaflets and knocking like Johobas on people's doors. Yes, the areas saturarted with the Asians have changed in scenery. For example, I was livid to see plastic bags flying all over the place in a Rochdale area once!
I was very embarrassed to see the Asian boys acting rowdy in certain areas of Manchester where I once went to buy some Indian sweets. But they live in that area, so what do we expect. Well, tbh I DO expect them to keep the place clean and stop making those streets like a mini Pakistan, but you see similar when you see the ex-pat areas in Eastern countries. They westernise the areas they reside in, don't they? If Islam is being felt as invasive and crushing like a steamroller, then imo that's to do with having negligible following of the local faith i.e. Christianity on the grounds.I don't believe that British Muslims are themselves doing any steamrolling but I do believe that the ambition of Isis is ultimately to kill or convert all non Muslims to Islam.