dpb

you missed out black , you racist ********d

Martin2005

Hindsight is a wonderful thing...


It's easy to post analyse something as barely noticeable as someone wearing a glove, in reality who's going to notice that?

Paben

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What a load of bollocks, and the only lack of intelligence is yours. Of course I'm for real, and involved with the security forces until fairly recently. People like you spout nonsense about what security forces should be doing while having no single idea what they are talking about. Do you really imagine, among all the thousands milling around in an airport, that a single glove wearer would attract attention? And if, as seems possible, the gloves contained initiators, what do you guess might happen were the wearers to be intercepted?

classic Subaru Si

Ok, sorry I didn't realise I was dealing with the FBI.. You will have your blinkers on regarding security issues, as you obviously think these countries including ours is doing enough. Who give's a **** what chaos it might cause at stadiums etc - I'd rather be safe than sorry. 2 fully grown adults wearing a single glove each would catch my attention if my job was to stand outside looking for potential threats. No doubt you would have waved them on?

Paben

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I suggest you offer your services to the security forces then, as someone with your observational capabilities would be a valuable assett. Unfortunately your blatant racism might just preclude you from filling any position at all. That shouldn't stop you shouting your mouth off though.

hodgy0_2

re the single glove thing

can't help thinking that a lot of potential suicide bombers may play golf!!

gary77

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Imagine a world where there is enough security where this cannot happen , is that how we have to live now and if it is would that not mean those lunatics had won

warrenm2

Islam, putting the DIE into DIEVERSITY since 600AD....

Paben

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It's already happening. Getting air side in any airport involves a lot of security hoops to jump through, and in some countries just getting into the departure area requires something similarly unpalatable. The cost of such measures is enormous, imagine extending this to other establishments.

There will always be places liable to attack that cannot be secured even if the manpower were to be massively increased. Paris suffered attacks in no account places; there will always be potential targets.

classic Subaru Si

You keep banging on about costs, and 'unpalatable' security checks - What exactly do you suggest? Oh, and to call me a racist is ******* laughable - The facts speak for themselves.

Paben

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What facts are these then? Explain how your earlier post regarding 'anyone who is Asian looking/Pakistani/Indian etc.' is anything other than racism in the raw. Making such remarks and then claiming you are not a racist proves that you are the one who is laughable as you don't even understand the impact of what you are saying.

warrenm2

Hey Mr "involved with the security forces until fairly recently", you really need to understand the difference between proper racism (throwing people into ovens/ethnic cleansing) and racial profiling (identifying high risk suspects using their geographical and/or ethnic background as a guide). But I'm sure you knew that already.....

Paben

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So real racism only kicks in when you start killing people does it? What a clueless opinion.

gary77

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Paben what do you think racism is , if it's saying that Isis terrorists look Asian/ Indian and Pakistani then everybody is racist

Paben

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No doubt that Isis terrorists are predominantly (exclusively?) of Asian origin, but of course it doesn't follow that everyone of Asian origin is an Isis (or any other) terrorist. To discriminate against all Asians by focussing particular attention on them would not only constitute racism but with our limited funds would dilute efforts to identify the real deal.

gary77

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I think focusing on people of Asian origin when looking for terrorists is common sense

Paben

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Considering that Muslim terrorists exist because they feel they have a serious axe to grind (putting it mildly) do you think that your proposal would reduce terrorism or risk increasing it?

gary77

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I'd hope that the moderate Muslims would understand the situation the extreme Muslims have put them in and they would do everything in there ability to help there fellow country men and women.

It's about time the moderate Muslims started to help flush out the extreme Muslims don't you think

warrenm2

Really, you prefer the cultural Marxism definition of "anything to do with race" then? Any racial preference, any discussion of difference based on race, any pointing out of the cultural practice of certain races? You dilute things down to that level and you dilute the credibility of your position. Crying racism is just a modern censorship, and you can just fvck off with that.

warrenm2

Paben

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You almost began to sound rational until your final sentence

gary77

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I don't like to think that it is the case but I can't say with certainty that it's not , if a saw something from the Muslim community to suggest they won't stand for what the extremists are doing in the name of there god it would be easier.

Torquemada

They are and do. Plenty of examples out there.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b009377b249dea

hodgy0_2

it is not even about race - people & races are different nothing wrong or surprising about that

racism is about power and money

we and the US sell the Saudi's 100 of billions of $ in arms and they fund ISIS

go figure

Paben

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Isis funding extends well beyond anything Saudi, Qatar and Kuwait may contribute. Oil & gas revenues, investments wordwide, tax raising, robbery, kidnapping for ransom, extortion, the list goes on to help create the wealthiest terrorist organisation of all time.

Whether 'moderate' Muslims condemn them or not will make no difference to Isis terrorism.

markjmd

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Some parts of it might, some of the time, but there's still a very significant minority or perhaps even an outright majority in some quarters who tacitly support what ISIS are doing both here in Europe and further afield. If you just take the example of Belgium, since we're already on the subject, it wasn't thanks to an active cell of incredibly cunning Jihadists that Salah Abdeslam managed to lay low barely a mile from the EU heardquarters for over four months without detection after the Paris attacks last November, it was down to the breadth of support he had/has among the local community in Molenbeek generally. Likewise, it wasn't Muslim condemnation of extremism that led to the police being pelted with missiles by groups of local youths when they finally figured where he was and came to arrest him last week, nor for that matter that resulted in primary school kids exclaiming "oh no, they've killed him" when shots rang out during the storming of his hideout.

All the above attested to by Alain Destexhe, former head of Medecins sans Frontieres, and currently a member of Belgium's (elected) equivalent of our House of Lords.

Torquemada

Yes, true, I understand there is also support from some muslims. Same as some religious, non Muslim, people support the IRA, does it mean all Christians are evil?

daviee

The IRA were more political than religious, not condoning them but different animal most bombings were disruptive and coded warnings were giving in most cases. Not cowardly sneak suicide maximum injury inflicting acts of terror. The support came from some people wanting " their" country back not take over someone else's.

Torquemada

Fair do's. Although, in the end whether you were a protestant or a Catholic seemed to play a pretty big part. You get my gist though.

Osimabu

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Can anyone explain please what it is that ISIS hope their actions will ultimately achieve?

They seem to keep committing these acts, but I've never understood why.