neil-h

Thing is as PM he's duty bound to do what he believes is best for the country. Ultimately the referendum result has made his position untenable as he either goes against the electorate and does what he believes is best or he goes with the electorate and does something he believes will be detrimental to the country.

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

He said he would stay until October and hand over to someone more suitable to deliver the exit ie someone who believes it's the right thing to do.

If they can actually find such a person.

I don't suppose he imagined for a moment that there were a sufficient number of muppets in the country to make it happen.

But here we are.....

I'm hoping someone sees sense and this never happens. Snap election on a "STAY" manifesto i think would win as of right now!!!

Martin2005

We’ve effectively had a coup, carried out by people with questionable motives,especially Boris Johnson. I’d really like to hear the Leavers views on Boris becoming PM.


He’s played the electorate brilliantly I admit, but don’t be fooled, he never believed whathe said, he’s never been a hardcore euro-sceptic, in fact, when it suited him (asMayor of London) he was positively gushing about Europe. Right up to the 11th hour he was calculating which side he would campaign for, to the extent that hewrote 2 articles for his Telegraph column, one stating why he supported Leaveand one why he was supporting Remain – by all accounts the one for Remain was the more compelling. Anyhow that’s the character of the man who is likely to beour next PM.


Should someone as duplicitous as Boris be our PM, should he be rewarded for all this?

Devildog

Jeff

The reason's he didn't are pretty clear.

Much like the reason's the leave campaign didn't tell us about their intentions. Oh, wait. They didn't actually think that one through.....

dpb

omg ballsedup again , gold up another 10 %

Devildog

Sterling drops more

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7105301.html

FTSE 250 (uk based businesses) drops even more

http://www.ft.com/fastft/2016/06/27/...er-dropping-3/

DYK

You not cut yourself adrift,you can still get on a plane ,or get in your car and travel to Europe.
I travel parts of Europe working,and have my own place in Europe.
And have friends in Belgium,Italy, Czech republic,Denmark,Poland,Speak to one of my polish friends this morning.He said to me people in Poland are fed up of the EU telling us what to do,one of my Czech friends Friday message me saying congratulations UK leaving the EU.I think not long ago when prague i read 60% of Czech people wanted referendum on leaving the EU.So we ain't the only country people thinking of leaving.Problem is Juncker and his pals,are making to many laws and wanting to much control.

hodgy0_2

Hi BMWhere

I am not disputing your facts re giving up your UK nationality

I just wonder how they know

I have dual UK / New Zealand nationality - (I was born in the UK)

I don't remember (it was a while ago) when I got my NZ one that I had to state a UK citizenship

you are either entitled to it or not

so presumably Germany has a specific requirement - but how would the know if you simply kept you UK one

hodgy0_2

yes it is the fallacy of unreasonable expectations

it can be used by anyone to smash things

take the NHS (an obvious target for the Tory right)

its not working, look at the waste, look at the cost - blah blah blah

again unreasonable expectations - it does a pretty good job, and is actually, as a % of GDP pretty good value, not perfect - but then it would be unreasonable to expect it to be

same with the BBC - another target, not perfect but compared to anything else

hodgy0_2

he has no power to call a snap election

jonc

A straw poll carried out at Glasdonbury showed that nearly half did not bother to vote. Also Skydata projected a low turnout for 18-24 of around 36% and indeed graphs from the BBC show a low turnout in populations with a higher proportion of young voters. But this is how democracy works, you make your vote count. That the majority of the younger generation didn't vote but now throw their toys out of their prams and blame the "grey voters" that their future has been snatched away from them just goes to show that the younger generation have grown up with a sense of entitlement. These stroppy teenager crying foul because they didn't get what they want and say that the older generation should not be allowed to vote!

Well they let themselves down with their apathy and a lack of understanding of how a democracy works. One only hopes that perhaps as they themselves become the older generation learn a lesson that nothing is ever handed to you on a plate.

hodgy0_2

he was sacked by the times for lying

and you can listen to youtube audio of him giving the name / address of a Journalist to his convicted fraudster friend Darius Guppy

who needs it to "rough him up"

they do say the country gets the PM it deserves

hodgy0_2

yes totally agree

my daughters boyfriend didn't bother

although he is now saying when he finished his medical degree he will move to Singapore

DYK

Just to add,truthfully i am little concerned about what will happen,but i think in the end it could be for the greater good,we could be wrong,but then again it could ve the best thing we have done for a long time,But we are where we are now.we need to push forward with this whether you Agreed with it or not.

EddScott

Guy I work with is pretty much foaming at the mouth over the leave vote.

He's tried to get me to sign the petition to re-run the vote. I did vote remain but was close for me. It was the University Lecturer effectively saying what an enormous faff the process will be with no guarantee we'll be better off afterwards which turned me to remain. The conspiracy theory over Boris hoping to loose the vote in order to form the platform for his PM bid does make you wonder whether the population were acting on miss-information and one mans attempt to get ultimate power.

However, a vote is a vote even if in the future it does make us Brits look complete idiots. Will we back track and get out of it? Who knows. Nobody wants to be PM right now and be the one to invoke article 50.

Funniest thing though was our cleaner - shes Thai but has a British passport. When she said she voted out, my colleague was pretty much apoplectic with rage.

Martin2005

The problem is we don't know where we are

dpb

1sr generation immigrants biggest contibutors to out campaign think youll find , only have see fat b****d thomas for this

matt-c

iTrader: (5)

How come?

Certainly the new leader of Conservative party can call election any time they want.

BMWhere?

I can't answer that!

...sadly, nether can anyone else!

I can only tell you, there are a lot of very confused and worried ex-pats who have no idea what the future holds!

Turbohot

LOL! You certainly are in your element since this Brexit thing kicked off, Hodgy!

Geezer

Yes, I agree with that. Complacency or disinterest at all ages has bitten us in the ****.


I hardly know any Leave voters, but where my wife works there were loads. On the Friday, a fair proportion of them said they didn't realise that voting Leave meant we would exit the EU and if they did, they would have voted remain. WTF? It's hard to deal with kind of ignorance. They thought it just meant we would solve immigration (despite us being in an immigrant free area...). Hey ho.

neil-h

Of course we do. We're exactly the same place we were last week, just the economy isn't quite so well off. As of yet nothing has actually changed.

dpb

Women on news in Sunderland worried about her sons positions in engineering industry maybe affected now we are out the eu

this seems to be stark contrast with Alcazars sons ???

DYK

We had a vote people decided brexit,cameron has taken a back seat.we now need stop arguing,get someone as prime minister,and get article 50 rolling and start negotiations.
Instead We are just standing still arguing everyday about the out come of this referendum.The remain campaign are still campaigning for **** sake.

BMWhere?

Absolutely correct! I know a great many of them and I know the amount of anguish they go through every time they have to extend their permits. In the end most take nationality as soon as possible to avoid all the hassle, but they are essentially giving up their nationality begrudgingly which is not good! As for other EU immigrants here, virtually none take up nationality (I know one Italian guy that has) because they don't need to and its no hassle. Those that do take up nationality do so because they want to with no pressure to do so and are also entitled to keep their home nationality, which results in far better integration!

jonc

Nothing has changed and yet everything has changed. Should multi-national companies continue to invest in the UK? What are their projections/plans for business in the next 2 years let alone in the next 5 or 10 years?

Martin2005

I'm not arguing about the outcome, I've made perfectly clear my view about that.

JTaylor

No we don't, brother.

BMWhere?

I don't know the specific details of how it works, giving up a nationality is not a simple thing. I've heard stories that even if you were to give up your UK nationality to gain another nationality, the UK will always recognise you as a British citizen, but I don't know how much truth is in this!

What I do know, is that until a few years ago, if you took German nationality you had to give up any other nationality. Germany did not permit dual nationality for German citizens, including EU citizens. A few years ago there was a new EU regulation that required any EU citizens who take up nationality in another member state should be allowed to hold dual nationality with their home state. Germany has accepted this, however they only permit one other nationality - so if you previously held French & Spanish nationality, you would have to give one up to take German nationality.

What is very unclear is what would happen if you had dual German & British nationality and the UK leaves, if you could still keep the British nationality as that was the rules when you took the German nationality, or if you would then have to give up the British nationality to conform with the non-EU rules.

I have another friend who is Australian with dual British nationality. If he takes German nationality, then he would have to give up is Australian nationality anyway. Now he would also have the worry, that he may also lose his British nationality.

BMWhere?

I agree on this in principle, but it also raises the question, perhaps the older generation have failed to educate the younger generation on the importance of their democratic rights! Perhaps this is something that need to change in the school curriculum?