JTaylor

BMWhere?

I'm one of those people and left now with the uncertainty if I can remain in Germany or not? Will I need a residence permit and work permit? If I get the required permits, how often will I need to renew them? If I lose my job, will I be entitled to any benefits? It really is a nightmare for me! But I'm one of the lucky ones, I've been here long enough to take German nationality, but that raises more questions - If I get German nationality now, I can have dual nationality as an EU citizen, but when the UK leaves the EU, I'm not sure that I'll be able to keep my British nationality! Other non-EU nationals that take German nationality have to give up their other nationality!

I also have a number of friends here that haven't been here long enough to get nationality, for them the situation is even worse!

Also, my sister lives in Spain with her British husband, two kids and her British in-laws. Her husband works on the rigs with a UK company. He's just lost 10% of his salary over night, they don't know how they're going to cope staying in Spain, the in-laws don't know if they can stay. They're all pulling their hair out right now!

An0n0m0us

You are missing the point or deliberately ignoring it. I am not surprised by what he did I am stating that he should have made his position clear as PM during the debates so the public were informed. From what I can see he never did that.

What he has done is run away from what the public voted for instead of accepting it as the PM who gave them the referendum. Surely as a leader who lets the public choose he should stand by their decision and carry it out for them. Perhaps he should have said if the public vote leave it will be such an utter mess I will have nothing to do with it and i'll be off ASAP because that is exactly what he has done. He might have got more of a vote from the fear factor of that than anything else.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

I thought Cameron would of done just that as it won't be the 1st time people have lied about their promises. He would of been called for a few month then people would forget and it would just be business as usual. It's not as though the vote is legally binding as it was just a big poll.

JTaylor

If you had your vote again, Anon., would you still choose leave?

Devildog

No one's ignoring the point.

If he'd made his position clear beforehand he'd most likely have been accused of holding the country to ransom. If the vote had gone the other way, he'd have left himself (and the entire remain campaign) open to attack from the leave campaign as having skewed the vote.

He'd also have shown his hand Boris, Grove & Farage.

He did the smart thing.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

BMWhere,,,, all the pub and restaurant owners who are british in all the resorts they must be getting very worried. I know a few people who live in Spain and own homes and draw pensions but how can they continue that?

JTaylor

Quite. Do you play chess?

Devildog

I doubt its that simple this time Steve.

Arguably significant damage has been done regardless of what the ultimate outcome is.

DYK

Yes whether you was for leave or stay,have to accept what ever the out come and move forward with it.
You have Sturgeon in Scotland causing trouble commenting about blocking the brexit,its childish.We all knew about this referendům,and would be a winning side and a loosing side,younger people blaming older pensioners for the leave winning,they should be ashamed,and its disgusting.Some of the older generation have made hard sacrafices in life,for Britain to be where it is now.
Its about time some on the remain toughen up,stop crying and arguing because its making us look weak to Europe.accept the outcome and start to move forward together best we can..

Devildog

As matter of fact I do

JTaylor

Making us look weak? Brother, I for one want my European cousins to know that a massive minority are not wanting to cut themselves adrift.

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

I work for Persimmon Homes and they have took a battering with this result seeing nearly 50% of its value gone since the vote.

JTaylor

Thought so. I understand Cameron's a fairly accomplished player.

JGlanzaV

iTrader: (3)

Oops.

But it's all going to be okay. Boris said so

And remember we've saved 350mil too.

jonc

I think Cameron's resignation was the logical thing to do. I also said he would resign if he had lost the campaign. You can't have a PM who campaigned and planned to remain for him to then start negotiation to leave. It is the next logical step, Alex Salmond resigned when he lost the Independence campaign, so it is not something that should come as a surprise.

Now it's down to the Scottish First Minister who could prevent the the UK from leaving with a veto. However she would have to weigh up her ambition for an independent Scotland and remain in the EU or veto the the decision to invoke Article 50 so that the UK stays in the EU and thus eliminate the "material change" that allows her to call for a second Scottish Referendum.

An0n0m0us

I would indeed because I am anti the EU state and so I would vote in what I believe in. I don't wish the UK to be responsible for bailing out other countries that have failed due to their own greed or ignorance in their failing economy until it was too late. Look how the Greek public reacted to austerity measures. They have no grasp on the financial reality of what their country was facing or how they had been living for too long.

If it had been kept as a simple trading block i'd be fine with that but it has just got more and more powerful wanting a single state which I utterly disagree with. I firmly believe in the UK sorting itself out first before it helps others out and that means all public services through to dealing with the homeless. I know this will never actually happen to the point of being 100% resolved but the focus needs to be there and not on the EU in my opinion. There are far too many problems in the UK that need resolving before looking at fixing other countries problems. Again those pro EU will hate that opinion but i'm entitled to it.

Had the vote gone the other way however I wouldn't have thrown my toys out of the pram or been emotional or aggressive over it I would have just accepted everything carries on as it has been. I actually expected to remain to win anyway. As I said to BMWhere on here this sort of stuff i'm happy to discuss with someone with opposing views over a beer and keep it friendly I just don't get the hatred and aggression that has come from both sides. To see people have lost friendships over it on the news I find quite pathetic.

JTaylor

So you still think the pros outweigh the cons. Interesting. Well, at least you're sticking to your guns.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

French TV reckons one millions Brits working in France, THREE million French working in the UK. I'd have thought it would be the other way round, but, of course, lots of expats here are retired, so don't count, at least, not as workers.

They don't think anything will change.

silver-sub

I like that qoute.

I'm might use it need be, ha

hodgy0_2

okay find - if I missed the point I apologise

but I would still say that fact that you think he would say anything different in the run up shows naiveté

he was never going to say it before the vote

hodgy0_2

the point is Stevebt, he is giving that problem to Boris

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

And he certainly DID give the impression that he would stay and implement whatever was decided.

hodgy0_2

please don't go there

My elder brother is a professional chess player

a man of extremely limited intelligence

An0n0m0us

Not necessarily and I have never said it will be a bed of roses. However I was given an opportunity to voice my opinion and that was to leave and not continue as we have been within the EU. The old adage of things will have to get worse before they get better comes to mind.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Both he and Osborne tried to hold the country to ransom.

The Brexiters were told that if we voted leave, we'd be £4300 a year per person worse off, our pensions would be cut, we'd face seeing our homes devalued, the economy would collapse, there would be war with Europe and we'd be faced with another swinging austerity budget.

If that's not holding us to ransom, what is?

The point is, he didn't tell the truth about his intentions in the case of Brexit, and he should have done so.

Geezer

Not even a minority, JT. Only 17 million out of a possible 40+ million voted to go.


It's fair to say that the Remainers complacency has handed the win to Leave, and we have to accept that, but it's certainly not as if the majority of the UK want to exit the EU. As usual, a vocal minority exerts more pressure than a silent majority.


They were interviewing people at Glastonbury today, everyone they interviewed was dismayed at the result, 75% of 14-17 years olds were in favour of remain, I don't know the exact figures for 18-25, but I believe they were also in favour of remain. Nice of us to deny them the future they want.


There was one guy in the new last week, 74, was going to vote leave, but after speaking to his grandson who was 17 and unable to vote, he changed his vote. His rationale - he'd lived most of his life, but his son had most of his life to live, he didn't think it fair to do that.

dpb

As far I could make out Nichola doesn't have a veto to reverse the decision


BMwhere , the rest of the worlds people still require all that form filling hassle to go anywhere do anything !

An0n0m0us

And again it's not what I expected to happen as politicians are slimy at best but i'm talking about responsibility as Prime Minister and whether it should be expected from the person who willingly gave us the referendum.

What I am asking for is the impossible which is politicians to be honest and open. Hell will freeze over before that ever happens. That in itself is the problem with politics you can't believe/trust any of them on any side.

JTaylor

Yes, I ought to have said "of those who voted".