Geezer

Haha, two of my friends are on polling duties today, and they say the amount of people coming who are saying "I've brought my own pen, is that ok?" or "have you got a pen, I'm worried my vote will be changed if in pencil".


What a bunch of ****tards they really are.

Martin2005

And these are the people who claim to have weighed up the pros and cons of Brexit.


Oh god please don't let these people win

Turbohot

Excellent post!

Geezer

Indeed, if they wanted to fix it, they certainly wouldn't choose to re-mark all the votes. Do they think they have developed time dilation technology?


This is why we shouldn't have referendums

jonc

How will being out of the EU stop you from going to live in another country??? This is the problem with this debate everyone is exaggerating the scenarios , Remainers staying that coming out of the EU means pulling up the draw bridge and isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. Equally Brexiters say we will be invaded by hoards of immigrants taking everything out of the system come under complete control of Brussels. Also Brexiters are no more right wing extremists than Remainers being left wing extremists.

The problem is the more I look into the arguments on both sides, the further I get from making a desicion! All I see is people sneering each other and not actually addressing or attempt to discuss the issues sensibly.

JTaylor

If you're undecided, Jon, the only logical vote is remain.

Geezer

I notice plenty of bookies now offering long odds on Leave. They have been pretty accurate.

BMWhere?

Latest News: Nigel Farage has voted IN! ...WAY IN!

jonc

Why?

JTaylor

Martin2005

I've just cancelled out Nigel's vote

BMWhere?

Its the only option you know what you are voting for!

The leave campaign haven't set out an economic plan for post Brexit!

You just don't know what they will do and they could do absolutely anything!

If they want to protect the economy, then they have to take the Norway or Swiss version, which means still paying, still accepting EU immigration and no vote! Basically, we continue with what we have now, only we no longer have a say in Europe!

If they want to stop EU immigration, then they have to take the WTO option and start from scratch with negotiating 60 to 70 new trade deals, each of which takes 6 to 10 years and they only have the capacity to negotiate 5 or 6 at a time. With no access to the European single market, you're also negotiating from a much weakened position. The economy will suffer for 50+ years, but at least you fulfill the voters wishes to stop all those immigrants!


If we remain, nothing much changes! We're the 5th largest economy in the World, despite all these European restrictions! Lets be honest, we don't have it too bad in the UK really!


Immigration? Immigration levels are variable! At the moment they are relatively high, in the future they will be lower, even negative. Even further in the future they'll rise again and the cycle will continue ad infinitum! Its upto the UK government to make sure we have enough housing, schools, hospitals etc to cope with any rise in population, from immigration or domestic growth! These are not new problems, that successive British governments have failed to deal with for Generations! This has always been a British problem not an EU problem!

Sovereignty? We already have it, otherwise it would be up to the EU to say if we could leave or not!

No control of EU decisions? Maybe you should vote at the next EU elections (if we don't leave)!



In the end, the vote is your choice! Vote for populist sound bites, or vote for boring but sound economics?

BMWhere?

Wow, if it was only up to Glastonbury festival Facebook supporters, Remain would wipe the floor with the Leave vote!

They posted a picture of a big colourful IN on their Facebook feed and it currently has the following reactions:

Wow=56 (not sure if this means In or Out)
Haha=88 (also not clear if In or Out)
Sad=97 (Out)
Angry=742 (Out)
Love=4,000 (In)
Like=98,000 (In)


Tried to post a link, but doesn't seem to work. Here's the URL if you copy & paste and it works (never sure with facebook links)
www . facebook . com/glastonburyofficial/photos/a.10150183961960964.301221.40513090963/10153532761755964/?type=3&theater

JTaylor

JTaylor

How do they vote if they're in a field off their face on mushrooms?

hodgy0_2

Lol, yes that's my take, based of the rhetoric used by both sides

Anyway here in Moscow, the Russians (well the black range rover driving elite - of which it seems there are 1000's)

Desperately want an out vote - collapse in the pound, a release from the EU money laundering rules

Back to financial opacity, only good news for the London property market

Petem95

Few deep breathes, maybe fan yourself with a copy of The Guardian or The Star that you've got to hand

There's a lot of other financially inept liberals out there who'll be voting, so you may well get your wish (and you'll be able to let off another rant when it results in UKIP support surging once they come out saying they'll get out of the EU if they win the next election)!

BMWhere?

I was thinking this too! A friend on facebook posted this morning he had delayed going and was waiting in line for the polls to open before setting off to the festival!

I guess some will have postal or proxy votes!

Sadly, probably many won't vote!


For me, not voting should not be an option! In Australia, that Utopian land with perfect immigration policy, people are legally required to turn up to vote. If you don't want to vote there, you're only option is to spoil your ballot!


Speaking of spoiling ballots, surely MI5 or whoever would just put an extra cross on the ballot to spoil it, rather than rubbing out pencil marks!?

An0n0m0us

No vote leave is what is best for my children's future to prevent even more over stretching of UK public services such as their education and school places.

Are you seriously suggesting that by leaving the EU my children would never be allowed to leave England and apply to move else where whether in Europe or the rest of the World? If you are it's an absurd statement to make

If the MEPS for certain countries vote together on something that directly benefits their countries then this is not in the interest of the UK as already pointed out the UK vote counts for nothing on it's own and the majority vote would be passed. I am not interested in being part of that scenario where other countries may benefit at a cost to the UK.

And I disagree on light bulbs as an example, it is not good for me if I want to go and buy a cheap sh!tty old fashioned light bulb for 27p instead of £4 for a newfangled energy saving one, I should have that choice not the EU tell me we don't like them so you can't have them any more.

BMWhere?

Who did you vote for in the House of Lords?

dpb

Youre voting stay if you believe collectively we have more bargaining power with the rest the world , if you don't then you may as well be out

Geezer

Oh I see, because it's not good for you then it can't be good for the UK. So now we have choice and your personal well being to consider. That's fine, but don.'t dress it up as what is good for the UK.

I can accept selfishness, we all are to a degree, but don't pretend that you are voting for what's best for our country.

I would be interested to know what you think of the EU abolishing data roaming charges across the EU? Is that bad for the UK? Or better workers rights? You could argue that is bad for the UK as it doesn't allow employers to exploit the workers to maximise their profits and hence boost the economy. Would you rather we had US style working rules?

An0n0m0us

Your point being?

I vote for an MP and then for the political party I want at elections. The House of Commons is where bills are initially passed by those MPs who are elected by the public and so voting for your MP and their views and the political party you see best represents your opinions is what counts.

neil-h

Just proves everything I said about the general population not being fit to decide the future of the country...

An0n0m0us

It's called having an opinion and what defines how you vote. Choice is good for the UK not just me

As for your other comments I don't think I have suggested anywhere that the EU has never done anything good. Personally I couldn't give a monkeys about roaming charges as they don't affect me but yes obviously that is good for those who want to use their phones abroad. Workers rights I would want decided by the UK Government not by the EU because again how can you set rules on workers rights for so many countries when they have such different working attitudes. My point is one rule for all isn't always a good thing when certain factors need to be taken into consideration.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Proves nothing.

Vote rigging? Dubya showed you can get away with it, why NOT in the UK?

stilover

Think the younger generation will vote to stay, as being young they are easily convinced by all the scare stories.

Problem is, if we remain, which I think we will (I'm voting out) and then Turkey join the EU, and other countries with poor wages and poor standards of living join the EU. What's going to happen? yes, migrants will flock to Britain for work. Those same young voters who now can't find a job will then blame the government for them being stuck on the dole. When they can't get a Hospital appointment due to an even more stretched NHS, they'll blame the Government. If they do have a job, and our schools and hospitals can't cope. The Government will have to build more Schools and hospitals to cope. How will they pay for this? Higher taxes. When they have less money in the pocket at the end of the month, who will they blame? The Government.

When they try and save for a deposit on a house, they'll find less houses available, and those that are available, are way to far out of reach, due to an ever dwindling housing stock due to ever increasing migrants. Who will they blame? The government.

The scarier option for the UK right now, is to continue on the good ship `European Union`, who have only guaranteed our rebate until 2020. After that, they can just say no. When another EU country goes bust, and the EU bailout kicks in. No matter what Cameron says, we will be forced to pay more and more to bail others out.

I laugh at people saying the Farmers get EU subsides, and without the EU, that would stop. Do they know that they are just paying the farmers out of the money we give them in the first place? we could just pay the farmers direct and save a fortune.

Petem95

Agree, it's reassuring to read other people who've actually put some thought into this and haven't lapped up all the pro-remain BS they've been fed by the media.

Ash Webster

Ive never understood the job debate. Ive never found it hard to find a job. Qualifications or no qualifications. Lazy people arent employable

BMWhere?

Of course they will have the right to apply to move to another country, but that doesn't mean they will be allowed in! Australia has that points based sytem, many EU countries have similar systems for non EU migrants! At the moment they have unhindered rights to move wherever they want in the EU and you want to take away that right. Anywhere they want to go to, they will have to apply for a residence visa and a work permit - maybe they'll get in, maybe they won't?

Same applies to Alcazar if he wants to retire to his villa in France! The French would be quite within their rights to turn round and say "sorry monsuer Alcazar, you are, 'ow you say, too old! You may stay only 30 days on your tourist visa! O'voir!".


How many times has it happened that the EU votes against the UK's wishes?
There was a debate on Newsnight a couple of weeks ago, the presenter put it at around 7, the leave campaigner argued it up to 9. Compared to the number where the UK got what it want - many thousands! Lets be generous and give them the 9! That's 9 times in 40 years of EU membership! Less than once every 4 years! Every single other EU legislation has been what the UK wanted!


http://www.designrecycleinc.com/led%20comp%20chart.html

So, LED's last 50,000 hour, incandescent 1,200 hours. That means you have to buy 41 incandescent bulbs for every LED bulb. So, @27p per bulb, you can spend up to £11 on an LED bulb and still be up on cost.

The electricity used per bulb is 10.96kWh/year for LED vs 109.5kWh/year for incandescent bulbs (note the figures on the link are for 30 bulbs). According to google, I found an average UK electricity price of 17.2p/kWh (2013). I found another figure of 14.05p/kWh, but it doesn't state when that figure was from, but lets just take the cheaper price anyway! That means, each LED light bulb will cost you £1.54 per year to run and each of the great old incandescent bulbs cost you £15.38 per year to run! So that frees up another £13.84 per year, per bulb for you to spend on LED lighting! Lets say you have 10 bulbs at home (you probably have more), that's nearly £140 a year you could cut off your energy bill using LED lights!

Maybe now that £4 bulb looks a little more attractive!