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23 June 2016, 05:08 PM
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Think the younger generation will vote to stay, as being young they are easily convinced by all the scare stories.
Problem is, if we remain, which I think we will (I'm voting out) and then Turkey join the EU, and other countries with poor wages and poor standards of living join the EU. What's going to happen? yes, migrants will flock to Britain for work. Those same young voters who now can't find a job will then blame the government for them being stuck on the dole. When they can't get a Hospital appointment due to an even more stretched NHS, they'll blame the Government. If they do have a job, and our schools and hospitals can't cope. The Government will have to build more Schools and hospitals to cope. How will they pay for this? Higher taxes. When they have less money in the pocket at the end of the month, who will they blame? The Government.
When they try and save for a deposit on a house, they'll find less houses available, and those that are available, are way to far out of reach, due to an ever dwindling housing stock due to ever increasing migrants. Who will they blame? The government.
The scarier option for the UK right now, is to continue on the good ship `European Union`, who have only guaranteed our rebate until 2020. After that, they can just say no. When another EU country goes bust, and the EU bailout kicks in. No matter what Cameron says, we will be forced to pay more and more to bail others out.
I laugh at people saying the Farmers get EU subsides, and without the EU, that would stop. Do they know that they are just paying the farmers out of the money we give them in the first place? we could just pay the farmers direct and save a fortune.
Problem is, if we remain, which I think we will (I'm voting out) and then Turkey join the EU, and other countries with poor wages and poor standards of living join the EU. What's going to happen? yes, migrants will flock to Britain for work. Those same young voters who now can't find a job will then blame the government for them being stuck on the dole. When they can't get a Hospital appointment due to an even more stretched NHS, they'll blame the Government. If they do have a job, and our schools and hospitals can't cope. The Government will have to build more Schools and hospitals to cope. How will they pay for this? Higher taxes. When they have less money in the pocket at the end of the month, who will they blame? The Government.
When they try and save for a deposit on a house, they'll find less houses available, and those that are available, are way to far out of reach, due to an ever dwindling housing stock due to ever increasing migrants. Who will they blame? The government.
The scarier option for the UK right now, is to continue on the good ship `European Union`, who have only guaranteed our rebate until 2020. After that, they can just say no. When another EU country goes bust, and the EU bailout kicks in. No matter what Cameron says, we will be forced to pay more and more to bail others out.
I laugh at people saying the Farmers get EU subsides, and without the EU, that would stop. Do they know that they are just paying the farmers out of the money we give them in the first place? we could just pay the farmers direct and save a fortune.
Plus, Turkey won't be joining any time soon.
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Both sides have been guilty of scaremongering, why are the young any more likely to fall for one side or the other? To be honest, if I was gullible to listen to scare stories, I'd be more worried about all the rapists. Both sides have been project fear, it's very disppointing. In all fairness, Leave had to though, as they have not presented a plan for the economy. Not really sure why Remain did it.
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23 June 2016, 05:28 PM
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I spoke to my father yesterday to wish him happy fathers day
(a bit late I know)
He told me he was voting out, along with my three brothers, lol
Xmas will be fun!!!
(a bit late I know)
He told me he was voting out, along with my three brothers, lol
Xmas will be fun!!!
23 June 2016, 05:36 PM
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Or, all the extra revenues created by all those extra workers will pay for what we need. Or are you totally sucked in by UKIP and think all the immigrants are rapists and benefit tourists?
Plus, Turkey won't be joining any time soon.
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Both sides have been guilty of scaremongering, why are the young any more likely to fall for one side or the other? To be honest, if I was gullible to listen to scare stories, I'd be more worried about all the rapists. Both sides have been project fear, it's very disppointing. In all fairness, Leave had to though, as they have not presented a plan for the economy. Not really sure why Remain did it.
Plus, Turkey won't be joining any time soon.
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Both sides have been guilty of scaremongering, why are the young any more likely to fall for one side or the other? To be honest, if I was gullible to listen to scare stories, I'd be more worried about all the rapists. Both sides have been project fear, it's very disppointing. In all fairness, Leave had to though, as they have not presented a plan for the economy. Not really sure why Remain did it.
It's about having jobs for British workers. Why do we have so many unemployed? If lots of people come to the UK to work, it's therefore obvious there are less jobs. These big UK companies, who say we're doomed if we leave, advertise UK jobs in foreign countries. It's not because they can't find people here to work, it's because they can get labour at a reduced rate. So less jobs for British workers.
Those migrants who come here have to live somewhere. So they probably rent, yes? So someone (landlord) has bought a house to house migrants. So what does that mean? Less houses available. Less houses means those that are available become in demand, thus pushing up prices. Thus, British people are priced out of the Housing market.
Migrants may bring families with them, or start a family while here. What does that mean? Two things. First is school places. If you have 50 school in a certain area. Each school will take X amount of pupils. More migrants = less places available. Then there is the NHS? They may need care or treatment. Hospitals are built to serve x number of people. If that number rises and rises, then the local hospitals can't cope.
Migrants while working, have a right to benefits, that they can either use here or even claim for their families back in their home country. More money the Government hands out in benefits, that doesn't stay within the UK, means less money in the economy.
So what is your answer that?
Could be create more jobs? How? Where?
Build more schools? Where? With what money?
Build more Hospitals? Where? With what money?
Build more schools and hospitals, you then need staff to work in them. Where do you get the staff? Hire foreign migrants? The whole thing is a snowball effect.
23 June 2016, 05:40 PM
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As I've been saying!.. if we end up voting In (which is looking pretty much certain unfortunately), there'll be a surge in support for UKIP and this whole thing starts over again!..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...our-things-to/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...our-things-to/
23 June 2016, 06:01 PM
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Who said anything about Rapists? Typical retort from a Remain voter.
It's about having jobs for British workers. Why do we have so many unemployed? If lots of people come to the UK to work, it's therefore obvious there are less jobs. These big UK companies, who say we're doomed if we leave, advertise UK jobs in foreign countries. It's not because they can't find people here to work, it's because they can get labour at a reduced rate. So less jobs for British workers.
Those migrants who come here have to live somewhere. So they probably rent, yes? So someone (landlord) has bought a house to house migrants. So what does that mean? Less houses available. Less houses means those that are available become in demand, thus pushing up prices. Thus, British people are priced out of the Housing market.
Migrants may bring families with them, or start a family while here. What does that mean? Two things. First is school places. If you have 50 school in a certain area. Each school will take X amount of pupils. More migrants = less places available. Then there is the NHS? They may need care or treatment. Hospitals are built to serve x number of people. If that number rises and rises, then the local hospitals can't cope.
Migrants while working, have a right to benefits, that they can either use here or even claim for their families back in their home country. More money the Government hands out in benefits, that doesn't stay within the UK, means less money in the economy.
So what is your answer that?
Could be create more jobs? How? Where?
Build more schools? Where? With what money?
Build more Hospitals? Where? With what money?
Build more schools and hospitals, you then need staff to work in them. Where do you get the staff? Hire foreign migrants? The whole thing is a snowball effect.
It's about having jobs for British workers. Why do we have so many unemployed? If lots of people come to the UK to work, it's therefore obvious there are less jobs. These big UK companies, who say we're doomed if we leave, advertise UK jobs in foreign countries. It's not because they can't find people here to work, it's because they can get labour at a reduced rate. So less jobs for British workers.
Those migrants who come here have to live somewhere. So they probably rent, yes? So someone (landlord) has bought a house to house migrants. So what does that mean? Less houses available. Less houses means those that are available become in demand, thus pushing up prices. Thus, British people are priced out of the Housing market.
Migrants may bring families with them, or start a family while here. What does that mean? Two things. First is school places. If you have 50 school in a certain area. Each school will take X amount of pupils. More migrants = less places available. Then there is the NHS? They may need care or treatment. Hospitals are built to serve x number of people. If that number rises and rises, then the local hospitals can't cope.
Migrants while working, have a right to benefits, that they can either use here or even claim for their families back in their home country. More money the Government hands out in benefits, that doesn't stay within the UK, means less money in the economy.
So what is your answer that?
Could be create more jobs? How? Where?
Build more schools? Where? With what money?
Build more Hospitals? Where? With what money?
Build more schools and hospitals, you then need staff to work in them. Where do you get the staff? Hire foreign migrants? The whole thing is a snowball effect.
23 June 2016, 06:02 PM
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23 June 2016, 06:04 PM
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We already have a points based system for non EU migrants. They are considered against where they come from? their age? their education? their finances? do they have a job offer? do we need people with their skills? so on and so forth!
Every other EU country has their own similar immigration requirements for non-EU residents! It doesn't matter if you're rich and well educated or pennyless and lacking qualifications, if you're not the immigrant they're looking for, you won't get in!
You can't seriously expect that we can fully control EU migrants comming here and the EU isn't going to fully control Brits migrating to the EU?
23 June 2016, 06:25 PM
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23 June 2016, 07:39 PM
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My daughter's 22 yr old friend - who to be fair has a track record of being incredibly thick - has just announced that she has voted in because she saw on face book that McDonalds would pull out of the UK if we left the EU....
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that individuals like this are in the minority - or are they?
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that individuals like this are in the minority - or are they?
23 June 2016, 08:00 PM
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Oh the irony...........
Saw my neighbour today. Oldish lady but hubby well connected from his military attache days.
She had been to a dinner party this week and Boris' dad was there, an old friend of my neighbour. Boris senior was adamant that he would be voting REMAIN
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She had been to a dinner party this week and Boris' dad was there, an old friend of my neighbour. Boris senior was adamant that he would be voting REMAIN
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23 June 2016, 08:02 PM
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There not, haha
And sadly dumb people breed quicker than the smart, were doomed i tell ya,
Anyway regardless of how u vote, we wont be leaving the eu, powers that really control stuff just want us to feel like we have a choice.
And sadly dumb people breed quicker than the smart, were doomed i tell ya,
Anyway regardless of how u vote, we wont be leaving the eu, powers that really control stuff just want us to feel like we have a choice.
23 June 2016, 08:05 PM
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My daughter's 22 yr old friend - who to be fair has a track record of being incredibly thick - has just announced that she has voted in because she saw on face book that McDonalds would pull out of the UK if we left the EU....
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that individuals like this are in the minority - or are they?
I suppose we should consider ourselves lucky that individuals like this are in the minority - or are they?
This is probably the most surreal times in political history that I have ever ecountered.
What I have seen personally around where I live is the majority are vocally voting out. One or two dodge the question, and a very few minority will say they have voted in.
The point here is the vocal masses will shout "Out". However the non-vocal are a huge unknown. And I do think alot of people are scared to announce they are voting to stay.
My own vote is one that is one given with a very heavy heart. Not that I like the EU, far from it. But I feel that our own government and both our current and prospective politicians are far to weak to take our country to proper independance from the EU. It is only until we get politicians with the belief and will to lead and fight for our place in the world that we could separate from the EU, unfortunatly I think there is only a few in West Minster with that belief. This is part of my reasoning to ringfence London politics from that of England's where our interests and beliefs differ.
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23 June 2016, 08:07 PM
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23 June 2016, 08:24 PM
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Or, all the extra revenues created by all those extra workers will pay for what we need. Or are you totally sucked in by UKIP and think all the immigrants are rapists and benefit tourists?
Plus, Turkey won't be joining any time soon.
Plus, Turkey won't be joining any time soon.
Simple maths.Second, the EU isn't giving Turkey €1 billion for nowt. It's to speed up their joining. And Albania, Macedonia, Serbia et al are almost there too...all basket case economies WE can then support, while their youth come to the UK and do the jobs OUR youth need.
I can't see why you people fail to see this? Is it because it's not affecting you and yours so it doesn't matter to you?
23 June 2016, 08:29 PM
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First off, understand that there's a finite number of low-paid jobs, and those taken by immigrants are no longer available to our youth who need them. Simple maths.
Second, the EU isn't giving Turkey €1 billion for nowt. It's to speed up their joining. And Albania, Macedonia, Serbia et al are almost there too...all basket case economies WE can then support, while their youth come to the UK and do the jobs OUR youth need.
I can't see why you people fail to see this? Is it because it's not affecting you and yours so it doesn't matter to you?
Simple maths.Second, the EU isn't giving Turkey €1 billion for nowt. It's to speed up their joining. And Albania, Macedonia, Serbia et al are almost there too...all basket case economies WE can then support, while their youth come to the UK and do the jobs OUR youth need.
I can't see why you people fail to see this? Is it because it's not affecting you and yours so it doesn't matter to you?
23 June 2016, 08:30 PM
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Well I voted for the first time in my life today. Not difficult to guess what I voted then , I know..!!
Never bothered before as I think there all a set of "Greedy Cnunts" out to line their own pockets, but this may be our only chance to free us from the shackles .
I have to say I have never seen so many people coming and going in and out of the Polling stations, maybe its the fine weather but Ive seen hoards of people huddled around looking like they are discussing the issue which I have never seen before driving past the many stations in previous elections etc...
Fingers crossed.
Never bothered before as I think there all a set of "Greedy Cnunts" out to line their own pockets, but this may be our only chance to free us from the shackles .
I have to say I have never seen so many people coming and going in and out of the Polling stations, maybe its the fine weather but Ive seen hoards of people huddled around looking like they are discussing the issue which I have never seen before driving past the many stations in previous elections etc...
Fingers crossed.
23 June 2016, 08:35 PM
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Well I voted for the first time in my life today. Not difficult to guess what I voted then , I know..!!
Never bothered before as I think there all a set of "Greedy Cnunts" out to line their own pockets, but this may be our only chance to free us from the shackles .
I have to say I have never seen so many people coming and going in and out of the Polling stations, maybe its the fine weather but Ive seen hoards of people huddled around looking like they are discussing the issue which I have never seen before driving past the many stations in previous elections etc...
Fingers crossed.
Never bothered before as I think there all a set of "Greedy Cnunts" out to line their own pockets, but this may be our only chance to free us from the shackles .
I have to say I have never seen so many people coming and going in and out of the Polling stations, maybe its the fine weather but Ive seen hoards of people huddled around looking like they are discussing the issue which I have never seen before driving past the many stations in previous elections etc...
Fingers crossed.
Can I please ask next time. Vote in a general election.
Then maybe, just maybe, if enough people did the same, we would not be under the Labour/Conservative stronghold.
Point being: 4,0000million votes = 1 UKIP
We neeed more voters to change ths country.
23 June 2016, 08:38 PM
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That lies at the heart of many problems we have today.
There are so many disenfranchised people in our country. Many are projecting their anger on to the EU.