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Despite everything though , I cant see how it could be any clearer
Stay eu , greater power to negotiate en block with the other superpowers of the word , but in exchange help out poorer countries within eu
or , get out save bit cash short term , but lose it negociating our own terms worldwide over the next ten years
youll have a less fluid experience travelling Europe , but your grandchildren might not have put up with a turk next door
Stay eu , greater power to negotiate en block with the other superpowers of the word , but in exchange help out poorer countries within eu
or , get out save bit cash short term , but lose it negociating our own terms worldwide over the next ten years
youll have a less fluid experience travelling Europe , but your grandchildren might not have put up with a turk next door
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Despite everything though , I cant see how it could be any clearer
Stay eu , greater power to negotiate en block with the other superpowers of the word , but in exchange help out poorer countries within eu
or , get out save bit cash short term , but lose it negociating our own terms worldwide over the next ten years
youll have a less fluid experience travelling Europe , but your grandchildren might not have put up with a turk next door
Stay eu , greater power to negotiate en block with the other superpowers of the word , but in exchange help out poorer countries within eu
or , get out save bit cash short term , but lose it negociating our own terms worldwide over the next ten years
youll have a less fluid experience travelling Europe , but your grandchildren might not have put up with a turk next door
Well, they might, the UK economy could be so bad they migrate to Turkey
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We're all going to lose anyway.
If we choose to leave the EU, we're stuck with a government that doesn't respect our choice. If we choose to stay, we're stuck with a bunch of contemptible twerps who will immediately drop the pretense of unity and go back to the usual round of lying about each other.
Do you want to be fried or boiled? I can't say as it matters a toss, so it might as well be "Out".
If we choose to leave the EU, we're stuck with a government that doesn't respect our choice. If we choose to stay, we're stuck with a bunch of contemptible twerps who will immediately drop the pretense of unity and go back to the usual round of lying about each other.
Do you want to be fried or boiled? I can't say as it matters a toss, so it might as well be "Out".
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I am fairly sure that the result will be Remain. Boris has lied so much and just wants to park his bike outside No 10. Gove is an intellectual with his head in the clouds and Farage is just a bit too racist. Mind you I don't think Cameron and Osborn have helped their cause by spouting Treasury guesses and have made so little of the positive side of the EU. Much more of a Ken Clarke easy going style would have helped. Brits don't like change and when in doubt stay with what we have.
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I am fairly sure that the result will be Remain. Boris has lied so much and just wants to park his bike outside No 10. Gove is an intellectual with his head in the clouds and Farage is just a bit too racist. Mind you I don't think Cameron and Osborn have helped their cause by spouting Treasury guesses and have made so little of the positive side of the EU. Much more of a Ken Clarke easy going style would have helped. Brits don't like change and when in doubt stay with what we have.
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Unfortunately the minute we do, you can bet your bottom dollar that a) our negotiations with the EU will suddenly be null and void and b) the govt will never dare offer us the chance again.
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Sadly you could be right. I said months ago that if in doubt ( and with a generous dose of no facts) the british public will cave in and just accept the status quo.
Unfortunately the minute we do, you can bet your bottom dollar that a) our negotiations with the EU will suddenly be null and void and b) the govt will never dare offer us the chance again.
Unfortunately the minute we do, you can bet your bottom dollar that a) our negotiations with the EU will suddenly be null and void and b) the govt will never dare offer us the chance again.
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Fair enough. So what positive changes do you expect to see for you, your family and the country should exit become a reality?
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I think the Leave campaign is losing momentum, high profile switch of sides of ministers to Remain and mainly the imposed break in campaigning due to Jo ***'s death allowed the public to pause and take stock as to what is at stake here. The markets have responded with a rise in the pound.
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Anyone seen this?
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/
I was fairly sure I would vote leave but after watching the above, I'm not so sure.
Leaving just seems to bring a whole load of grief that we don't really need, won't solve the issues with dealing with the EU, make it harder to deal with the EU, won't really make it easier to deal with the rest of the world and has no guarantee that will ultimately benefit the country.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/
I was fairly sure I would vote leave but after watching the above, I'm not so sure.
Leaving just seems to bring a whole load of grief that we don't really need, won't solve the issues with dealing with the EU, make it harder to deal with the EU, won't really make it easier to deal with the rest of the world and has no guarantee that will ultimately benefit the country.
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A lot of exiters I've spoken with avoid the details.
But of course as friends we wouldn't resort to that would we James
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Anyone seen this?
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/
I was fairly sure I would vote leave but after watching the above, I'm not so sure.
Leaving just seems to being a whole load of grief that we don't really need, won't solve the issues with dealing with the EU, make it harder to deal with the EU, won't really make it easier to deal with the rest of the world and has no guarantee that will ultimately benefit the country.
https://news.liverpool.ac.uk/2016/06...rendum-debate/
I was fairly sure I would vote leave but after watching the above, I'm not so sure.
Leaving just seems to being a whole load of grief that we don't really need, won't solve the issues with dealing with the EU, make it harder to deal with the EU, won't really make it easier to deal with the rest of the world and has no guarantee that will ultimately benefit the country.
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It sounds like a leave would mean we'd lose the benefits of being part of the EU and introduce a load of grief whilst dealing with the EU.
I don't see how the guy was lying when he said that leaving the EU would mean new trade deals with ALL other nations. And even then, there is no guarantee those deals with non-EU countries would be better now we are out of the EU.
Also, this business about Turkey joining - isn't Turkey so far away from passing all the requirements that it's decades away from joining?
EDIT - just had a look at the guy being funded by the EU. Well, that does imply that he might have a bias towards remaining but to ignore what he said would need backing up with picking apart what he says in the video and de-bunking his "facts".
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that video was very good - and reiterated what I said a few weeks ago
i.e. sovereignty is a total non issue - it is about power
he also highlighted an issue that I did not have sufficient clarity on
in that the single market is a lot more than tariffs - it is also about products and services complying with regulations
and whether we like it or not we will always have to comply with regulations
unless we want to become a sort of "Gypsy" nation - a nation who thinks normal rules should not apply to them!!
who think that any problem can be solved by turning up with a "wad of folding"
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It wasn't a subtle dig, Chris, it was a blatant statement of fact. I spoke with a woman earlier who said she was voting out because she didn't like "all the foreigners" coming in to Wales to "use the NHS" and that her husband's mate had explained to her how expensive membership was. When I pointed out that Boris Johnson had peddled this untruth and that actually Wales is a net beneficiary of EU membership she told me that she "didn't want to get bogged down in details". I think this woman is probably a fair representation of the working class 'exit' mentality - people who think their spouse's mate is an expert and that Boris gives a monkies about ordinary folk. The EU isn't perfect, but nothing is. I've yet to hear a convincing argument that would encourage me to switch to leave - all I've heard are soundbites, lies and the pitiful expression of xenophobes and the thick. I don't see you as a xenophobe, Chris, and I know you're not thick, so why would you possibly want to give power Boris and Farage?
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It wasn't a subtle dig, Chris, it was a blatant statement of fact. I spoke with a woman earlier who said she was voting out because she didn't like "all the foreigners" coming in to Wales to "use the NHS" and that her husband's mate had explained to her how expensive membership was. When I pointed out that Boris Johnson had peddled this untruth and that actually Wales is a net beneficiary of EU membership she told me that she "didn't want to get bogged down in details". I think this woman is probably a fair representation of the working class 'exit' mentality - people who think their spouse's mate is an expert and that Boris gives a monkies about ordinary folk. The EU isn't perfect, but nothing is. I've yet to hear a convincing argument that would encourage me to switch to leave - all I've heard are soundbites, lies and the pitiful expression of xenophobes and the thick. I don't see you as a xenophobe, Chris, and I know you're not thick, so why would you possibly want to give power Boris and Farage?
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It wasn't a subtle dig, Chris, it was a blatant statement of fact. I spoke with a woman earlier who said she was voting out because she didn't like "all the foreigners" coming in to Wales to "use the NHS" and that her husband's mate had explained to her how expensive membership was. When I pointed out that Boris Johnson had peddled this untruth and that actually Wales is a net beneficiary of EU membership she told me that she "didn't want to get bogged down in details". I think this woman is probably a fair representation of the working class 'exit' mentality - people who think their spouse's mate is an expert and that Boris gives a monkies about ordinary folk. The EU isn't perfect, but nothing is. I've yet to hear a convincing argument that would encourage me to switch to leave - all I've heard are soundbites, lies and the pitiful expression of xenophobes and the thick. I don't see you as a xenophobe, Chris, and I know you're not thick, so why would you possibly want to give power Boris and Farage?
as you say rhetoric is important - which is why the Brexiters are so sensitive about the Jo *** murder
I heard Farage on the radio this afternoon - the "certainty" of his narrative is compelling
it reminded me of this article I read a few months ago - the article is about the conversion of a climate change denier (I love reading conversion stories)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/danvergano/...oGW#.ko4aR2LKY
but what is interesting - and why I was reminded of it was Dan Verago's "nut" test
and how it became the final piece of the puzzle
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