steve05wrx

Hi,
Boris is speaking live on Sky news right now.
His speech is amazing and full of hard facts on Brexit - well worth a watch!
Cheers
Steve

neil-h

Right, why wouldn't/shouldn't we go to the back of the queue? Believing we should get some sort of special dispensation because we're us is supremely arrogant. There's no reason why we should be given priority over any other country.

As for the comment about foreigners, I think that says a hell of a lot the problem people have with his comments (last time i checked the term was xenophobia) .

Martin2005

Has he managed to avoid saying anything mildly racist this time?

warrenm2

Oh come on, you're letting your world view point get in the way of reality! In trade deal negotiations, do you really think that the US will approach Great Britain (5th largest economy in the world) the same way as the Gambia (178)? Will one get preference over the other? Of course we will get preference, its in everyone's interests to do so. To claim otherwise reflects poorly on you.

Sigh, and so the name calling starts. Its not a "dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries" so say our democracy is nothing to do with them. That self-governance is just that, WE govern ourselves and its no-one else's business. Again this tactic is used by so many on the left to demonise their opponents, its really quite revealing as to the lack of argument they actually have. Its beneath you

Geezer

Swiss neutrality is an interesting one, not sure how they have managed it. Of course, declaring your neutrality and getting it are two different things, as a few nations found to their cost in WWII.

But that nothwithstanding, I find Cameron's statement a bit daft. There will not be war as a result of a Brexit.

But, if Brexit led to the break up of the EU, I wouldn't be so sure.

neil-h

And that's a sweeping assumption based on personal opinion. Yes we may well get preference but there's no guarantee.

It's not name calling, it's a genuine observation. You said it yourself, he's a foreigner how dare he.

As for saying it's no-one else's business, that's not showing the best understanding of global economics/politics. Voting out would fundamentally change our position on the world stage (we'd be leaving a group which contains both the 4th and 6th largest economies), of course that is other peoples business.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

I agree, what hope is there of a rational debate when our OWN Prime Minister is spouting rubbish?

I personal feel that the break up of the EU will be down to if/when its economy collapses. And that will depend on Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy. And if Germany etc say is enough is enough with the bailouts and austerity restrictions. It will be a messy break up, though.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

This is silly even for you neil...you know as well as I that what was meant was, "he's foreign, so nothing to do with our country and how we rule, therefore what does it have to do with him?"

To suggest otherwise shows you are becoming desperate. LOL

neil-h

But once again that's not actually what he said is it...

warrenm2

Alcazar gets the point, and he is correct. You are trying to use a pejorative label of xenophobic to win the argument. We are both telling you you're talking rubbish

Geezer

Your next door neighbour is going to dump 4 tons of horse **** in his garden, in July. He then plans to summer in Spain, what do you do? It's his garden, it's none of your business.

If you say nothing, you are clearly lying. So if the UK is planning to do something that will affect other countries, why shouldn't they have an opinion on it and say it?

warrenm2

Your metaphor is bogus. Its nothing like that. We are having a democratic vote, its no-one else's business. If option X wins, neighbours have to deal with it, if its option Y, they have to deal with it.

If you have a prefernce so what, back off, its NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. Otherwise you are meddling in another countries democratic process. Bad thing

dpb

I do wonder how many the outers would be looking at it all bit different if those darkies from Syrian conflict won't rocking up

Martin2005

I wonder what Warren's view on foreign interference would be if there were leaders from around the world urging Brexit.


Well I guess they have one ...Putin

warrenm2

Just check out the comments section... (sort by highest rated)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36243296

neil-h

I may actually have believed you if it wasn't for the fact you've both got previous for blaming anything and everything on foreigners.

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

nope makes no difference to me.
i still wouldn't give 28 of my neighbours my wages every month only to get back some of it and have them tell me how to spend it and with who

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Whereas you have previous for starting with the insults, LOL

dpb

he might spend it more wisely !

neil-h

Oh Christ the irony is strong in this one.

warrenm2

Really Neil? ANYTHING and EVERYTHING? A bit Reductio ad absurdum dont you think?

I engage with you because you're not so much a stranger to reason as Martin, and not so into the ad homs as Hodgy. I have confidence in my point of view and am prepared to back up what I say. I hope that is one thing I HAVE demonstrated.

As for your specific point, sometimes foreigners ARE the problem. Ask the Copenhagen police.... http://newobserveronline.com/80-cope...nals-nonwhite/

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

behave, are you a MP by any chance ?
they have a answer for everything

neil-h

Granted 'anything and everything' was an exaggeration but I'd stand by the sentiment that you both have previous for blaming things on foreigners when the reality is just as many natives can be blamed for the same thing.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nope, I'll retaliate, but am not a name-caller.

I reserve that for the lefties on here.

neil-h

Must be someone else who perpetually goes for Martin then.

*Though that being said you seem to have mellowed recently...

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Ah, but I don't INSULT him, or name-call. I simply point out that his method of arguing owes a lot to the politician on the fast show: "No, no, no it won't/hasn't/doesn't/isn't."

Denial with no backup argument.

Geezer

Absolutely not, it's quite valid. You running your household, I have no say in that, which is akin to running our own affairs. However, us leaving the EU will affect the other nations. To say otherwise is disingenuous.


Brexit is not as clear cut and simple as you like to make out, so the two are inextricably linked. So, why shouldn't they give their opinions?

Geezer

And now it descends into madness. Even as a remainer, I thought Cameron's latest talk of war was silly, but it would seem the Brexit campaign want to get on the silly trail. A Conservative saying the EU favours the wealthy and is responsible for social injustice.......


You really couldn't make it up

dpb

You won't get anywhere here

He's missing that bit of chromosome

joz8968

iTrader: (13)

Latest FT Brexit poll of polls:

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Currently just a 3% swing towards Remain.

Will be interesting monitoring this right up till D-Day.