So this EU funding is ...development funds? Not sure I follow

http://gov.wales/funding/eu-funds/?lang=en

 

The key point is that it's not the rebate

 

Wales receives a net benefit from being in the EU. This is as close to "fact" as we can get here.

The fact that EU money has been squandered to an extent which borders on the criminal in Wales is another topic.

 

yes martin a different issue indeed and one that all the remainers forget to mention,
bit like the grant given to peugot to reloate to slovakia taking 3500 job's
but then that don't matter to big buisness it's all about comercial greed and lining allready deep pockets

 

The problem is Martin, we do pay a fee (the details, as JT has demonstrated are not really relevant) for our membership of the EU

It is not 350 million, that is a simple lie

But talk of whether it is a rebate or development funds misses the reality of it, in the minds of Brexiters at least

The problem is, they see no benefit of our membership - none!!!!

Maybe the fault of the Remain campaign is the failure to really articulate it

That we get no benefit is just fantasy (but peddled by Farage - read my link on the previous page why this is so relevant)

 

500million a year eu gift to wales,
christ on a bike thats 2 and a bits uk rebate GOOD EFFORT

 

That could be the tip of a very big iceberg if companies decide to relocate to the single market post Brexit.

You only want to mention the negatives, so for balance go and find out how much inward investment Wales has attracted in the past decade, and how many jobs this has created. A very large part of this will be because of our access to the single market.

 

WHAT LIKE TATA roflbo

 

You and the worm have stated or insinuated numerous times on this thread that leavers are uneducated and ill-informed. I've found the complete opposite. The few people I know who are voting remain are almost exclusively people I consider not very bright. When I recently broached the notion that right-wing tendencies could be partly the result of loony liberal policies, you and the worm acted like I'd said something ridiculous. Actually, you called me a joker. Well, if you can't see this, maybe the "thick" ones, as you call them, are you and the worm... who interestingly both think we should remain. Oh, and when I ask the remainers I know why they think we should remain, they're unable to construct any sort of convincing argument. No facts, nothing tangible, just a soundbite like 'we're stronger together'.

Next, you question why somebody would want to give power to Farage and Boris, yet you voted for Cameron!! After witnessing his pitiful performances on recent EU debate programmes, are you still pleased with your vote?

Finally, the reason you haven't heard a convincing argument for leaving is because you don't listen, you don't consider any perspective other than your own, and you're blind to reality and how the world works. It seems you're in good company on this thread.

 

i have just one question for the remainers that i would like answered with examples
everyone babbles on about the eurocrats being appointed and not elected
PRAY TELL WHO OPPOINTED THEM THEN ?
j p morgan
goldman sachs
the imf
come on who ? do any of you remainers actually know who was so important that they appointed our leaders and rule makers to be if we remain ?
COME ON THEN STILL WAITING ANSWERS ON A POSTCARD

 

Has Warren been canvassing in Wales, hes very quiet today ?


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0a4f99adc3d12

 

Lol, it is obviously hard to challenge the perception that the Brexiters are simply

"Thick white trash"

And that may sound politically incorrect

But I rest assured, and safe in the knowledge that most Brexiteers celebrate political incorrectness

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-wants-to-rem/

 

Lol, anti-knowledge Martin

It is the new black

 

Joker.

 

My new 'friend' tells me that it's the smart who are voting for leave, looks like that's just another bit of Brexit wishful thinking.

 

Is there actually any proof that the EU gave this grant you mention? After a cursory glance online, the only thing I can find is that the Slovakian government offered tax breaks to Peugeot to relocate there

 

Don't engage with him, he's just poison

 

come admit it no one knows do they

 

I don't understand the question, so it's difficult to answer.

 

You could always do your own research... 5 minutes on Google gives you the answer and it's not as undemocratic as everyone says.

 

The world is largely driven by money , what can you do

 

What do you mean by "Eurocrats"

 

i know the answer ref junker
the eurpoean council nominated him and then the european parliment elected him, but who nominated the euro councilors

 

The European council is made up of the heads of all the member states. So we elected our representative.

 

What do you mean by euro councilors?

 

just how pedantic is it possible to be ?

 

Do you realise how often both of you describe other people as exactly what you are yourselves?

 

Not just them UC

I think you are a **** too

 

I'm not being pedantic Im trying to make sense of what you're asking. That's not unreasonable is it?