I still think he's in some way connected to Alcazar Maybe a split personality or something.

 

I think he is an utter cvnt, the very epitome of "white trash" that has a semblelance of education and somehow thinks he is some kind of Einstein

As I said politically incorrect

But deep down these ****ing loonatics, love "politically incorrectness" and truth be told appreciate the honesty

 

Good old Scoobynet debates. I come here to have a read of what is being said and because i'm in the leave camp I must be thick/stupid/politically incorrect or even thick white trash.

Sounds about right for the remain camp that that's what they are resorting to to try and win their argument

 

Lol, make an argument

Provide sources, prepare to back it up

Don't appeal to emotion

Don't play the victim card

 

I know some very smart people who are on the side of leave (most are not though i must say). I've had fantastic conversations with them about.
Not once have I had a discussion/debates/arguments with them that never involved £350m or immigration.

Those are the only things this squalid Brexit camp are campaigning on. Why? Because it appeals to people who don't want to really challenge themselves to think about things properly.

 

Well I was taking the ****

However so was nigel if he thought he was making headway with that poster

 

Not wasting my time with how attitudes are on here having read the last couple of pages. Nothing to do with playing a victim card Hodgy and everything to do with the childish attitudes on here when it comes to people having different opinions on something and resorting to name calling.

 

+1

Whilst I am a remain voter. I want nothing to do with those on this thread who resort to these tactics in order to impose their view. They'd sooner insult and tell someone is wrong rather than discuss and quote factual referenced proof that is not from a newspaper website (as you can't rely on journalists to be factual either).

 

But you were an outer earlier in this thread Ali ?!?

 

Because it bothers them? Because they, or their families have been directly affected by either? Or both?

Just because neither has had an affect on you...do try to think of others, there's a good chap.

 

I wonder how Nigel has been directly affected himself .?

 

Whilst I am a leave camp. I am interested in the polls stats. I have not seen any online poll conducted by any of the major papers with less than 60% leave, even the remain inclined papers. So is someone pulling the wool over someones eyes?

24th June will reveal, unless you are a conspiracy theorist

I am very fortunate, that if the UK goes to the dogs either way, I can up sticks and move pretty much anywhere in the world. I Don't want to, but my options are more open than most

 

Maybe he just cares about those who have?
If the government did something pro active about immigration most brexiters would probably vote to stay as this is generally the only issue that they care about and also if they did it would pretty much kill ukip.


But they won't because they can't in the Eu.

 

From everything Iv seen he just hates the notion of a higher , as he sees it , unelected power

 

What is for sure though is the higher than average assertion from first and second generation migrants that we don't need any more

 

:nods::nods: EXACTLY THIS ^^^^^

 

I can see a scenario if remain win, if some of the problems that have been highlighted are not dealt with, immigration, healthcare etc then come 2020 UKiP will surge in popularity. How much so that is anyone's guess, but it might appeal to alot of labour voters, who feel betrayed by their former party.

If leave win UKip will fade

 

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THIS

If it's a narrow remain vote, look to Scotland and the SNP experience to see where UKIP will go. In Scotland, the Labour Party has been totally annihilated. There's no reason to believe that ordinary working class Labour voter won't defect en mass to UKIP south of the border too

 

I doubt that tbh

imv the worst possible outcome is a really slim majority for "Remain"

we will just get years of conspiracy claptrap, and demands for another one etc etc


I can honestly say I would rather leave win

 

Well there is a damn good reason for all the remain camp to change their mind, only if to stick it to Nigel

 

So what do people think the result is going to be?


My guess is a narrow win for Leave, something like 52-48 with about 70% turnout

 

I think it will be alot closer, a win for remain 1% difference.

I just hope that there is no reneging on promises.

If the labour voters get shafted after the referendum, then 2020 election is going to very interesting, as Lunar Tick eluded to.

 

I think the opposite, a win for remain by the smallest of margin , 1-2 points with a higher turnout at 75%. I realise that turnout is unprecedented , beating even the last election so I could be wrong on that part.

 

That will never happen, EU will renege on the deal Cameron made and we shall see a reduction in the UK's effectiveness to negotiate. Basically because we dared to even consider leaving they will make it uncomfortable for us or just pay lip services to our demands.

 

It looks like our family might be living in Germany or the USA depending which way the referendum goes.

Best thing is is to let the dust settle before making a big move like that !

 

You might want to reconsider that given the fact that loony Trump might win, then it will be Frying pan - Fire

 

Tensions of the referendum are running high in our family!

 

I think turnout will be really high - one of the highest ever...

 

Not in household, all chilled. The wife and I have made our mind up, the kids are too young .

 

yes I probably think that too

anyway I have already voted - am off to Moscow tomorrow to watch the Bolshoi

the masochist in me is quite looking forward to leave

it will be fun watching all the leavers explain why things aren't any rosier outside the EU