As Ali just pointed out, spouting utter nonsense in defence of any position really doesn't lend it credibility.

 

Amusing poster from the amusingly entitled 'Operation black vote' with a couple of amusing stereotypes. Amusing.

 

Sorry I have read this a couple times, but I don't understand what you are saying

Especially the last part

My point is simply the U.S. and the UK have seen an ever increasing wealth gap

I did not mean living standards have not improved for most of the population

It is the relative inequality that is the problem, and is imp responsible for the current protest politics

 

That's fine, but you shouldn't have put up our picture together on a see-saw (or is it a drain pipe?) without my permission.




Also, as per the meme, you could also say that a human is a human. Yes, that's true, but so what. Thing is, how valid that human is, with all the moral qualities e.g. reasonability, goodness etc., counts. Same way, yes, a vote is a vote but a wasted one, if it favours the wrong one.

By the way, intellect doesn't always correlate to being nice, truthful and reasonable. Many intellectuals are villains, and many non-intellectuals are nicer, wiser and more sensible than the intellect bearing nonsensical ones.

A car is a car. So why should I buy a scooby? Hm?

 

If one has the capacity to win friends and influence people, one's vote has more weight.

 

I'm not bothered about the weight. I'm talking whether the vote goes to the deserving one. Then only it has a meaning. Just because one has a capacity to win friends and people doesn't make that 'one' right with their..... whatever they propose.

 

I'm just pointing out that the notion of one person, one vote is poppycock. If one's industrious and charismatic and persuasive, one gets more than one vote. Said individual will infect the opinions of those within his or her sphere of influence. Dyson clearly has more than one vote.

 

I did understand where you were coming from, James. What I was saying was that just because it's a vote, it doesn't mean it's a good and a right one. For example, devil seems to have more charisma than God, and therefore has more followers than God; at least metaphorically. It doesn't mean his followers' vote for him/her/it is a 'right' one.

I do like Dyson, though. That's if we're talking of the one who made a revolutionary kickass vacuum cleaner for us . But a lot of the followed Pied Pipers seriously suck, man.

 

The problem here is the difference between what you meant and what you actually said. There was no mention of 'gap' or 'relative', or anything else in your original post that hinted or implied that you didn't mean a decrease of living standards in absolute terms. Fair enough, now you've pointed that out, I'm not going to deny that the wealth gap between richest and poorest is widening at a faster pace today than it may ever have done. That alone though shouldn't make a blind bit of difference to people's views on the EU or any other political issue of the day, so long as everyone gets a fair shake of the stick and lives in a place where the rule of law prevails.

 

It's interesting that Dyson was apparently in favour of Britain joining the Euro, when that was up for being decided.

 

Yes, I understand that; the Devil gets all the best lines. I'm merely challenging the one person, one vote notion. In fact I've just spent some time explaining to my mother why she ought to vote remain; mother's now busy letting my sister know why she too ought to vote remain. Had a similar conversation with a couple of my salesmen the other day...

 

Russian observers were used during the vote counting
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ish-referendum

 

Sorry

I shaved my hair off yesterday so the visual resemblance is a little too close for comfort. LOL.


Exactly, voting preference isn't a measure of ones intellect or social background as what's been implied in some of the earlier posts. Indeed, I know a few vocal "leavers" who are well educated, rational people and are certainly not "bottom feeders". Likewise I know a "inners" that are not intellects and didn't go to college/uni etc. Ridiculing and insulting someone will not make them change thier mind.

The sooner we drop this way of judging people because of their view the sooner we can challenge and articulate the reasons for their views and be able to counter that view properly without being insultive. Something that I am yet to see on any of the television debates. Thursday's debate on ITV was a shameful display of the people who are "supposed" to represent us

 

Yes, this is an interesting point

I suppose in my naïveté I think this sort of influence evens out, on both sides

(13 Nobel Prize winning scientists say a Brexit will damage science and scientific funding)

What I will say is that personally I will accept the decision whatever it is, even 50.1 v 49.9 in favour of Brexit

What is interesting is that I doubt that sentiment is reciprocated

Already we see moves to contest the vote vote by the BRexiters if the vote goes against them

Warrenm2 raised it - but unbeknownst to him (he has me on ignore ) I was a couple of days ahead of him

And sadly about a move to include the young vote - who have most to lose /gain by the vote

So much for democracy, make no mistake this referendum is about power, absolutely NOTHING about democracy

 

Out of interest, who do you think won that debate?

 

Nobody.

The three ladies we just attacked the person and labelling the already outed "lies" as opposed to countering them with the actual facts. And Boris is just Boris who ends up resorting to soundbites and latin.

 

Warren has you on ignore?

Welcome to the best and most exclusive club on SN. 😀

 

lol, in fact Martin I nearly PM'd you to celebrate (a little sad I know :-) )

 

Quoted so that Warren may be party to your insight.

(Well done, Wales; c'mon, England!)

 

Well he doesn't have me on ignore and I love Jesus.

 

Oh FFS they are on ignore for a reason you know!

 

What does God think we should do?

 

As Ive already said before, you're suffering from a mental delusion so I never take anything you say seriously anyway

 

And the 2 leave women?

 

 

In defence of what exactly?

 

Because you're a big baby, who doesn't like it when people dispute your ideological clap-trap?

 

Actually quite an interesting article on the thoughts of the traditional Northern Labour voters...
Revenge of the betrayed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-Brexit.html

 

You appear to be inadvertently confirming my views. A top notch bunch of brainiacs there. Traditional Northern Labour voters.

If we had any sense we would scrap 'one person-one vote' and initiate a stepped system where each voter carried between one and four points per vote dependent on certain factors, thereby allowing the more qualified to have a higher impact on any result.

 

I love seeing patronising and ignorant sentiments of this kind (ie we of superior intellect know best what's good for you) expressed in the media. They will just make ordinary people and waiverers even more determined to vote out