why are our cars so bad on gas?
17 October 2015, 12:05 PM
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Ok let's put some figures to this cus this he says she says crap is getting stupid.
Hawk Wrx GB270 Specifications
Engine Flat-4-cyl, 2457cc, turbo
Max power 266bhp @ 5700rpm
Max torque 310lb ft @ 3000rpm
0-60 5.2sec (claimed)
Top speed 143mph (claimed)
Hawk type UK Specifications
Engine Flat-4-cyl, 2457cc, 16v, turbo
Max power 277bhp @ 6000rpm
Max torque 289lb ft @ 4000rpm
0-60 5.0sec (claimed)
Top speed 158mph (claimed)
Now both those sets of stats were taken from Evo and you can quite clearly see the acceleration of both cars is near as dammit the same with the Sti ultimately having the higher top speed (the extra gear ratio will do that)...
Hawk Wrx GB270 Specifications
Engine Flat-4-cyl, 2457cc, turbo
Max power 266bhp @ 5700rpm
Max torque 310lb ft @ 3000rpm
0-60 5.2sec (claimed)
Top speed 143mph (claimed)
Hawk type UK Specifications
Engine Flat-4-cyl, 2457cc, 16v, turbo
Max power 277bhp @ 6000rpm
Max torque 289lb ft @ 4000rpm
0-60 5.0sec (claimed)
Top speed 158mph (claimed)
Now both those sets of stats were taken from Evo and you can quite clearly see the acceleration of both cars is near as dammit the same with the Sti ultimately having the higher top speed (the extra gear ratio will do that)...
You need to compare standard for standard.
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17 October 2015, 01:08 PM
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There's a reason for that, the PPP gets the WRX to a similar level of tune (on paper at least) to the STi. RS Matt and his WRX loving chums seem to believe that like for like, the WRX is the faster car. Those figures quite clearly show it isn't.
17 October 2015, 01:41 PM
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Mine had it and it was a rubbish map.
I had the car remapped and it made 352 bhp but was far more driver friendly.
This power level can be achieved on standard equipment way way more than a wrx would get near standard and the gearbox would die anyway
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17 October 2015, 02:26 PM
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But ppp is also available on the sti. Which increases the bhp and performance too.
Mine had it and it was a rubbish map.
I had the car remapped and it made 352 bhp but was far more driver friendly.
This power level can be achieved on standard equipment way way more than a wrx would get near standard and the gearbox would die anyway
Mine had it and it was a rubbish map.
I had the car remapped and it made 352 bhp but was far more driver friendly.
This power level can be achieved on standard equipment way way more than a wrx would get near standard and the gearbox would die anyway
It's ridiculous to compare a GB270 to a standard STi. Even still, the standard STi is the faster car, but you have to compare like for like. As said FT says, put a PPP onto an STi and it becomes quicker, funnily enough like a WRX with PPP does aswell.
If you're using a GB270 to represent your case, then pick an RB320 as the STi to compare to. But you won't though, because you refuse to accept the cold, hard facts.
17 October 2015, 02:40 PM
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Exactly.
It's ridiculous to compare a GB270 to a standard STi. Even still, the standard STi is the faster car, but you have to compare like for like. As said FT says, put a PPP onto an STi and it becomes quicker, funnily enough like a WRX with PPP does aswell.
If you're using a GB270 to represent your case, then pick an RB320 as the STi to compare to. But you won't though, because you refuse to accept the cold, hard facts.
It's ridiculous to compare a GB270 to a standard STi. Even still, the standard STi is the faster car, but you have to compare like for like. As said FT says, put a PPP onto an STi and it becomes quicker, funnily enough like a WRX with PPP does aswell.
If you're using a GB270 to represent your case, then pick an RB320 as the STi to compare to. But you won't though, because you refuse to accept the cold, hard facts.
Figures mean nothing really it's the overall performance on the road that counts
The only reason the 0-60 times are similar is you need to grab third on the sti.
Not many buy them for drag racing and Matts beloved thread means nothing due to firstly his car is lightened and modified so comparing it to a standard sti is pointless and secondly he has made up the bhp of some of the sti too.
17 October 2015, 03:25 PM
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Exactly.
It's ridiculous to compare a GB270 to a standard STi. Even still, the standard STi is the faster car, but you have to compare like for like. As said FT says, put a PPP onto an STi and it becomes quicker, funnily enough like a WRX with PPP does aswell.
If you're using a GB270 to represent your case, then pick an RB320 as the STi to compare to. But you won't though, because you refuse to accept the cold, hard facts.
It's ridiculous to compare a GB270 to a standard STi. Even still, the standard STi is the faster car, but you have to compare like for like. As said FT says, put a PPP onto an STi and it becomes quicker, funnily enough like a WRX with PPP does aswell.
If you're using a GB270 to represent your case, then pick an RB320 as the STi to compare to. But you won't though, because you refuse to accept the cold, hard facts.
go back, read my post explaining the logic then we'll continue this discussion. 
cus you've clearly haven't.
17 October 2015, 10:49 PM
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I dream of getting 35+mpg in my MY07 WRX PPP wagon.
Best I've ever had, driving like an old granny was about 28mpg, and it's been mapped by Bob Rawle, who craps over anyone else I've seen so far when it comes to mapping.
It did improve after he mapped it by c10% but I just don't see (in a hawkeye WRX anyway), how 35+ mpg is achieved without ruining performance.
Maybe the blobs, bugs and classics are better?
I had another non-PPP WRX saloon before this and that also never got better (regardless of driving style) than 31mpg.
Guys, I realise you have differences in opinion but it's not edifying to seeing people slagging each other off in the forum tbh.
Best I've ever had, driving like an old granny was about 28mpg, and it's been mapped by Bob Rawle, who craps over anyone else I've seen so far when it comes to mapping.
It did improve after he mapped it by c10% but I just don't see (in a hawkeye WRX anyway), how 35+ mpg is achieved without ruining performance.
Maybe the blobs, bugs and classics are better?
I had another non-PPP WRX saloon before this and that also never got better (regardless of driving style) than 31mpg.
Guys, I realise you have differences in opinion but it's not edifying to seeing people slagging each other off in the forum tbh.
18 October 2015, 09:24 AM
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If you want good mpg it's all about short shifting, not boosting and overrun, so first thing you need to get is a boost gauge so you can see when you're boosting it, 2nd thing is to drive it like you do when it's cold and not go above 3krpm.
That doesn't have to mean you're going slowly, it just means you drive slightly differently and carry your speed, in my WRX PPP 80mph is just shy of 3krpm in 5th.
Driving like this you always have the power and torque available when needed as peak torque comes in quite low as does boost if you want it, there's also no point in pressing the gas only to brake soon after, especially when going down hill, so don't and just let it overrun as there is very little fuel being used.
Now this isnt always possible especially in town, but where I live out in the country with lots of mountain type roads 28mpg is still achievable, but like I said above it's about carrying speed, not breaking and then stamping the gas so you then go into boost.
It helps if the car is set up properly and that doesn't mean a set of coilovers and a huge turbo, to carry speed you need a car that's not twitching over bumps and changing line to avoid little pot holes or becomes unsettled when you do hit a bump or yump.
I can still get a pretty good move on without thrashing my car and even when I am out for some fun it rarely goes above 6krpm as there is no point beyond 6250 ish anyway and by that time I'm headed towards 3 figure speeds in 3rd and above on slimey country roads with tractors and a plethora of variables.
Point being, you don't have to cane it in every gear to drive fast and have some fun, that's the benefit of a small turbo, long gears, good tyres and a well set up chassis, a proper set of brakes can also help for those very few moments when I throw all the above out of the window and have a mental 10/15mins.
That doesn't have to mean you're going slowly, it just means you drive slightly differently and carry your speed, in my WRX PPP 80mph is just shy of 3krpm in 5th.
Driving like this you always have the power and torque available when needed as peak torque comes in quite low as does boost if you want it, there's also no point in pressing the gas only to brake soon after, especially when going down hill, so don't and just let it overrun as there is very little fuel being used.
Now this isnt always possible especially in town, but where I live out in the country with lots of mountain type roads 28mpg is still achievable, but like I said above it's about carrying speed, not breaking and then stamping the gas so you then go into boost.
It helps if the car is set up properly and that doesn't mean a set of coilovers and a huge turbo, to carry speed you need a car that's not twitching over bumps and changing line to avoid little pot holes or becomes unsettled when you do hit a bump or yump.
I can still get a pretty good move on without thrashing my car and even when I am out for some fun it rarely goes above 6krpm as there is no point beyond 6250 ish anyway and by that time I'm headed towards 3 figure speeds in 3rd and above on slimey country roads with tractors and a plethora of variables.
Point being, you don't have to cane it in every gear to drive fast and have some fun, that's the benefit of a small turbo, long gears, good tyres and a well set up chassis, a proper set of brakes can also help for those very few moments when I throw all the above out of the window and have a mental 10/15mins.
18 October 2015, 09:59 AM
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Because I like them, 4wd, reasonable boot capacity, even more so in wagon form, reasonable turn of speed when required for overtaking and a bit of fun when I'm in the mood, still pretty quick, especially off the mark even by modern day standards, which is handy in town and country with the amount of numptys on the road, can still get a move on in the wet and if it does snow I can still get home or go to the shops.
Having spent a fortune fixing one of them, then learning the hard way, there's not much I can't do on one myself, so it ends up being pretty cheap to run, especially when compared to cars of a similar performance, of which there are not that many (4wd).
I don't tear **** about the place because I need my licence, having lost it once many years ago and being out here, I'd be screwed and stuck in england without it, which isn't an option.
I also like the sound they make.
Having spent a fortune fixing one of them, then learning the hard way, there's not much I can't do on one myself, so it ends up being pretty cheap to run, especially when compared to cars of a similar performance, of which there are not that many (4wd).
I don't tear **** about the place because I need my licence, having lost it once many years ago and being out here, I'd be screwed and stuck in england without it, which isn't an option.
I also like the sound they make.
18 October 2015, 10:17 AM
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It was a general question about the whole thread not aimed at anybody in particular.
I don't understand the mpg concerns if you have an impreza.
To get anywhere normal mpg you need to drive off boost.
Then why have a turdo car in the first place if you can't afford to drive it normally
I don't understand the mpg concerns if you have an impreza.
To get anywhere normal mpg you need to drive off boost.
Then why have a turdo car in the first place if you can't afford to drive it normally
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18 October 2015, 10:38 AM
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Well considering your car is lighter than a standard UK STI it may just pass under the wire, but considering my lowly WRX PPP stayed with a 400+bhp JDM STI up to about 120mph (although not sure how hard he was pushing) but he did go for it a little bit 
not saying I could of passed him, but he wasn't going anywhere, safe distance included.
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not saying I could of passed him, but he wasn't going anywhere, safe distance included. )
Shocked at this statement ditchy!!!
I struggled to keep up with a mates 360bhp 360lb/ft JDM hawk STi in my 380bhp 412lb/ft UK hawk STi, considering your WRX has only a PPP from memory(265bhp??) that would mean that a UK hawk STi would need well over 400+bhp to pull away from a 265bhp WRX wagon.
18 October 2015, 10:40 AM
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It was a general question about the whole thread not aimed at nobody in particular.
I don't understand the mpg concerns if you have an impreza.
To get anywhere normal mpg you need to drive off boost.
Then why have a turdo car in the first place if you can't afford to drive it normally
I don't understand the mpg concerns if you have an impreza.
To get anywhere normal mpg you need to drive off boost.
Then why have a turdo car in the first place if you can't afford to drive it normally
18 October 2015, 11:06 AM
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In the 11 years ive been on this site, the 1 thread that really stand out for me that makes me laugh out loud, is Ditchy's Rover 25 beating a Ferrari on the twisty roads story/thread
Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all time
Please dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all timePlease dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
18 October 2015, 11:12 AM
#172
In the 11 years ive been on this site, the 1 thread that really stand out for me that makes me laugh out loud, is Ditchy's Rover 25 beating a Ferrari on the twisty roads story/thread Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all time
Please dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all timePlease dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...andful-of.html
18 October 2015, 11:17 AM
#173
Sadly I think you're too late,unless he has changed his mind.
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...andful-of.html
https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...andful-of.html
Reminds we of Jay from Inbetweeners, either completed it, or done it, and my life is better then yours!!!
18 October 2015, 11:20 AM
#174
In the 11 years ive been on this site, the 1 thread that really stand out for me that makes me laugh out loud, is Ditchy's Rover 25 beating a Ferrari on the twisty roads story/thread Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all time
Please dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
Kills me every time, and now a blob WRX PPP wagon(265bhp) is quicker then a 400bhp JDM STi I can add to the funniest ScoobyNet posts of all timePlease dont ever ban Ditchy, he makes me laugh
Then Ditchmyster piped up and said that he can lap The Ring in his 320bhp Type R, in the wet, quicker than the Ring Taxi can in the dry...!
Most recently he mentioned he has mastered 50 or so fighting styles yet the mere mortal which is Bruce Lee only managed 4 or 5..
18 October 2015, 12:25 PM
#175
What about the one where he was mocking some guy who posted in car footage of himself at The Ring, telling him his lines were all wrong.
Then Ditchmyster piped up and said that he can lap The Ring in his 320bhp Type R, in the wet, quicker than the Ring Taxi can in the dry...!
Most recently he mentioned he has mastered 50 or so fighting styles yet the mere mortal which is Bruce Lee only managed 4 or 5..
Then Ditchmyster piped up and said that he can lap The Ring in his 320bhp Type R, in the wet, quicker than the Ring Taxi can in the dry...!
Most recently he mentioned he has mastered 50 or so fighting styles yet the mere mortal which is Bruce Lee only managed 4 or 5..
Told you he is pure entertainment.
18 October 2015, 03:03 PM
#177
hold on the wrx wagon is considerably heavier than the saloon so if the wagon with 266bhp kept up with a jdm sti saloon with 400 bhp how much would you need in a wrx saloon??
i just cant keep up,would a rover 25 be faster than both cars too?
its most confusing as we actually had a wrx mapped to 270 bhp and an sti mapped to 352bhp and the wrx hadnt a hope in hell of catching the sti.
so does that mean a 350 bhp uk sti is far faster than a 400bhp jdm STI??
i just cant keep up,would a rover 25 be faster than both cars too?
its most confusing as we actually had a wrx mapped to 270 bhp and an sti mapped to 352bhp and the wrx hadnt a hope in hell of catching the sti.
so does that mean a 350 bhp uk sti is far faster than a 400bhp jdm STI??
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