why are our cars so bad on gas?
18 October 2015, 03:30 PM
#181
and only slightly lighter than the jdm sti but just as fast despite being nearly 140 bhp down??
it just doesnt add up to me
according to parkers the wrx saloon is 1395kg,the wrx estate 1410kg and the sti 1470kg.
so do you need 140bhp to shift 60kg??
Last edited by fat-thomas; 18 October 2015 at 03:39 PM.
18 October 2015, 03:48 PM
#183
at a rough guess id say 150bhp so would this be enough to keep up with a 266 bhp wrx wagon as id say the engine would be considerably lighter due to losing the turbo,intercooler and associated parts.
so in theory if the 150 bhp k series lump was 70 kg lighter you could keep up with a 400 bhp jdm sti,i guess this makes sense as a rover 25 is lighter than a wagon and thats faster than a ferrari.
Last edited by fat-thomas; 18 October 2015 at 04:03 PM.
18 October 2015, 04:03 PM
#184
Rover 25 vs Ferrari
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18 October 2015, 04:08 PM
#185
Look what I found, the Rover 25 vs Ferrari thread.....Post 20
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18 October 2015, 04:25 PM
#188
His Wagon must be fast I mean look at this comment from 2011 thread.
Thread link... https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...uk-05-reg.html
Last edited by jayallen; 18 October 2015 at 04:29 PM.
18 October 2015, 05:08 PM
#192
Look what I found, the Rover 25 vs Ferrari thread.....Post 20
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"Rover 25 vs Ferrari"
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see a flash in the rear view and it's the local estate agent in his black 460 ferrari,
18 October 2015, 07:10 PM
#194
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The phrase WRX DENIAL has been born.
18 October 2015, 07:35 PM
#196
The irony of the inevitable WRX v STI comparisons (where the WRX usually sneaks the 0-60 but the STI the track times) is the STI invariably has over 15-20% extra power.
Now a 265bhp WRX PPP v 265 bhp STI test would be something to behold. Or maybe even turn the tide and pit a 305bhp WRX v a 265BHP STI.
Most Evo and Subaru owners tune to 350bhp on average and at those levels the WRX is king. I'd love to know the accurate drivetrain losses of the EVO's and Scoobs as I think the WRX will be drastically less. I'm the thinking the differences could be as high as 6-8%.
Now a 265bhp WRX PPP v 265 bhp STI test would be something to behold. Or maybe even turn the tide and pit a 305bhp WRX v a 265BHP STI.
Most Evo and Subaru owners tune to 350bhp on average and at those levels the WRX is king. I'd love to know the accurate drivetrain losses of the EVO's and Scoobs as I think the WRX will be drastically less. I'm the thinking the differences could be as high as 6-8%.
why would the drivetrain loss be less in a wrx?? please tell this should be good
18 October 2015, 07:37 PM
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The irony of the inevitable WRX v STI comparisons (where the WRX usually sneaks the 0-60 but the STI the track times) is the STI invariably has over 15-20% extra power.
Now a 265bhp WRX PPP v 265 bhp STI test would be something to behold. Or maybe even turn the tide and pit a 305bhp WRX v a 265BHP STI.
Most Evo and Subaru owners tune to 350bhp on average and at those levels the WRX is king. I'd love to know the accurate drivetrain losses of the EVO's and Scoobs as I think the WRX will be drastically less. I'm the thinking the differences could be as high as 6-8%.
Now a 265bhp WRX PPP v 265 bhp STI test would be something to behold. Or maybe even turn the tide and pit a 305bhp WRX v a 265BHP STI.
Most Evo and Subaru owners tune to 350bhp on average and at those levels the WRX is king. I'd love to know the accurate drivetrain losses of the EVO's and Scoobs as I think the WRX will be drastically less. I'm the thinking the differences could be as high as 6-8%.
Gear ratio's only benefit the wrx in 1st and 2nd, the then tighter ratio's of the 6 speed give the STI an advantage, still, the highest 0-60 times on standard (or PPP'd cars) are not held by WRX's but instead by STI's.
18 October 2015, 07:38 PM
#198
You may find the wrx has higher losses than the STI, due to the STI's having the DCCD, as for faster.... sorry, the wrx wont be, been there, seen it and the end is always the same, it comes down to the driver and how hard they want to push their car, more wrx's break than STI's and that tells you something.
Gear ratio's only benefit the wrx in 1st and 2nd, the then tighter ratio's of the 6 speed give the STI an advantage, still, the highest 0-60 times on standard (or PPP'd cars) are not held by WRX's but instead by STI's.
Gear ratio's only benefit the wrx in 1st and 2nd, the then tighter ratio's of the 6 speed give the STI an advantage, still, the highest 0-60 times on standard (or PPP'd cars) are not held by WRX's but instead by STI's.
18 October 2015, 07:42 PM
#199
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Rotational mass has a big effect on transmission losses. I'm not 100% on each item but I think the STI has an heavier flywheel, clutch, gearbox, hubs, disks and wheels.
18 October 2015, 07:45 PM
#200
350lbft. Though some SN members have pushed well over 400lbft on a 5 speed. With uprated piston rings the WRX could theoretically operate at power levels around 400bhp if not more. Rods would also be safe if torque was kept below the 350lbt danger zone. To do this a bigger turbo running lower boost would be needed, there's also other mods to lower torque such as enlarged intercooler and turbo intake pipe.
Rotational mass has a big effect on transmission losses. I'm not 100% on each item but I think the STI has an heavier flywheel, clutch, gearbox, hubs, disks and wheels.
Rotational mass has a big effect on transmission losses. I'm not 100% on each item but I think the STI has an heavier flywheel, clutch, gearbox, hubs, disks and wheels.
18 October 2015, 07:52 PM
#201
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You may find the wrx has higher losses than the STI, due to the STI's having the DCCD, as for faster.... sorry, the wrx wont be, been there, seen it and the end is always the same, it comes down to the driver and how hard they want to push their car, more wrx's break than STI's and that tells you something.
Gear ratio's only benefit the wrx in 1st and 2nd, the then tighter ratio's of the 6 speed give the STI an advantage, still, the highest 0-60 times on standard (or PPP'd cars) are not held by WRX's but instead by STI's.
Gear ratio's only benefit the wrx in 1st and 2nd, the then tighter ratio's of the 6 speed give the STI an advantage, still, the highest 0-60 times on standard (or PPP'd cars) are not held by WRX's but instead by STI's.
In theory both boxes are useless for the max power levels of 350hp and 450hp respectively. I've raced two SN members STI's that had well over 500Bhp and I beat their 0-60 foot on both accounts. They were just wheel spinning and loosing time with constant shifting, getting into 3rd at 40mph with over 500bhp!!!!!! Crazy. Great car for 60 mph+ all around the Nurburgring but get next to my 300lbtf WRX at the (non-stickied tarmac) traffic lights in the real world and you are 3 car lengths behind in no time every time. Especially if you don't launch hard with a large-laggy turbo, like a lot of arrogant STI owners next to a sleeper WRX!
18 October 2015, 07:54 PM
#202
Look what I found, the Rover 25 vs Ferrari thread.....Post 20
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"Rover 25 vs Ferrari"
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"Rover 25 vs Ferrari"
my little Rover 25 1.4 (well it's the mrs actually) does just shy of a ton in 3rd gear
I'm still chuckling away to myself here.
18 October 2015, 07:56 PM
#204
Depends on power levels, I've seen the short ratios of the STI cause major headaches for Drag STI's, big Arf even told me once that he needed a 5 speed equivalent that was strong enough.
In theory both boxes are useless for the max power levels of 350hp and 450hp respectively. I've raced two SN members STI's that had well over 500Bhp and I beat their 0-60 foot on both accounts. They were just wheel spinning and loosing time with constant shifting, getting into 3rd at 40mph with over 500bhp!!!!!! Crazy. Great car for 60 mph+ all around the Nurburgring but get next to my 300lbtf WRX at the (non-stickied tarmac) traffic lights in the real world and you are 3 car lengths behind in no time every time. Especially if you don't launch hard with a large-laggy turbo, like a lot of arrogant STI owners next to a sleeper WRX!
In theory both boxes are useless for the max power levels of 350hp and 450hp respectively. I've raced two SN members STI's that had well over 500Bhp and I beat their 0-60 foot on both accounts. They were just wheel spinning and loosing time with constant shifting, getting into 3rd at 40mph with over 500bhp!!!!!! Crazy. Great car for 60 mph+ all around the Nurburgring but get next to my 300lbtf WRX at the (non-stickied tarmac) traffic lights in the real world and you are 3 car lengths behind in no time every time. Especially if you don't launch hard with a large-laggy turbo, like a lot of arrogant STI owners next to a sleeper WRX!
the sti hits approx 56 mph in second so where you made up the 40 mph i dont know
as for launching, who launches off boost??, if you are having turbo lag you are in the wrong gear
you and ditchy must have had the only mega fast wrxs because the rest of us who had one thought they were **** so bought an sti.
18 October 2015, 07:58 PM
#205
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Obviously with higher transmission losses and higher curb weight an STI can handle a bit more torque, in fact torque is crucial to the STI.
That reminds me, I think the wider track of the STI also adds extra transmission losses over the WRX.
18 October 2015, 07:59 PM
#206
Depends on power levels, I've seen the short ratios of the STI cause major headaches for Drag STI's, big Arf even told me once that he needed a 5 speed equivalent that was strong enough.
In theory both boxes are useless for the max power levels of 350hp and 450hp respectively. I've raced two SN members STI's that had well over 500Bhp and I beat their 0-60 foot on both accounts. They were just wheel spinning and loosing time with constant shifting, getting into 3rd at 40mph with over 500bhp!!!!!! Crazy. Great car for 60 mph+ all around the Nurburgring but get next to my 300lbtf WRX at the (non-stickied tarmac) traffic lights in the real world and you are 3 car lengths behind in no time every time. Especially if you don't launch hard with a large-laggy turbo, like a lot of arrogant STI owners next to a sleeper WRX!
In theory both boxes are useless for the max power levels of 350hp and 450hp respectively. I've raced two SN members STI's that had well over 500Bhp and I beat their 0-60 foot on both accounts. They were just wheel spinning and loosing time with constant shifting, getting into 3rd at 40mph with over 500bhp!!!!!! Crazy. Great car for 60 mph+ all around the Nurburgring but get next to my 300lbtf WRX at the (non-stickied tarmac) traffic lights in the real world and you are 3 car lengths behind in no time every time. Especially if you don't launch hard with a large-laggy turbo, like a lot of arrogant STI owners next to a sleeper WRX!
Not in a million years would you beat my 500hp scoob at any stage....
18 October 2015, 08:01 PM
#207
Something that tempts me. a 430bhp WRX would raise a few eyebrows at the strip and as I'm currently wheelspinning off the line with just 300lbft the lower torque would be much appreciated.
Obviously with higher transmission losses and higher curb weight an STI can handle a bit more torque, in fact torque is crucial to the STI.
That reminds me, I think the wider track of the STI also adds extra transmission losses over the WRX.
Obviously with higher transmission losses and higher curb weight an STI can handle a bit more torque, in fact torque is crucial to the STI.
That reminds me, I think the wider track of the STI also adds extra transmission losses over the WRX.
18 October 2015, 08:01 PM
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18 October 2015, 08:03 PM
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do you sniff glue???
the sti hits approx 56 mph in second so where you made up the 40 mph i dont know
as for launching, who launches off boost??, if you are having turbo lag you are in the wrong gear
you and ditchy must have had the only mega fast wrxs because the rest of us who had one thought they were **** so bought an sti.
the sti hits approx 56 mph in second so where you made up the 40 mph i dont know
as for launching, who launches off boost??, if you are having turbo lag you are in the wrong gear
you and ditchy must have had the only mega fast wrxs because the rest of us who had one thought they were **** so bought an sti.
Tom, in 20 years of driving I've never had someone next to me at the lights or in front of me at a junction launch at 4,000-6.000rpm. Do you live in California?
No wonder the STI needs stronger components if those with WRX denial are sat on the limiter at a red light for 5 minutes.