"I am an immigrant"
15 April 2015, 09:40 AM
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I was talking to the brother of a mate last year. He runs two hotels on the south coast. He openly admits that he only employs immigrants as they'll work for below the minimum wage.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
15 April 2015, 09:47 AM
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Immigration = class
Mass immigration = worrying
And it's wrong to presume all 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants welcome mass immigration as I can name several areas in the UK where there have been culture clashes. Sheffield; Muslims/Romanians and Luton; Muslims/Sikhs being recent incidents.
Mass immigration = worrying
And it's wrong to presume all 1st, 2nd & 3rd generation immigrants welcome mass immigration as I can name several areas in the UK where there have been culture clashes. Sheffield; Muslims/Romanians and Luton; Muslims/Sikhs being recent incidents.
15 April 2015, 09:52 AM
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I was talking to the brother of a mate last year. He runs two hotels on the south coast. He openly admits that he only employs immigrants as they'll work for below the minimum wage.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
15 April 2015, 11:01 AM
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I was talking to the brother of a mate last year. He runs two hotels on the south coast. He openly admits that he only employs immigrants as they'll work for below the minimum wage.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
I asked him how much he pays them and he said "£3 an hour"!!! If people here think that paying people £3 an hour is ok then your off your heads!!
People like him are a major part of the problem.
In case your wondering, I called him a **** and walked off.
15 April 2015, 11:39 AM
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The truth is in these tough economic times, companies have to cut costs in order to remain competitive and keep their head above water, this is the economic reality. If businesses can't source cheaper materials/services then staff are next in line. They have to balance whether it is better to reduce staffing numbers and make existing employees work harder or longer on the same pay or keep the same head count at a lower cost to remain in business. Companies can't discriminate which nationalities they employ, only those who are willing to work at a lower cost to the employer. If immigrants make up the workforce then that shows they're more willing to work at a lower pay.
Ultimately, we the consumer, also have to shoulder some of the blame as we continually look for the bargains and cheaper products/services which puts increasing pressure on businesses to reduce costs.
Ultimately, we the consumer, also have to shoulder some of the blame as we continually look for the bargains and cheaper products/services which puts increasing pressure on businesses to reduce costs.
Meanwhile, the company owner puts his SEVENTH brand new car in his seven car garage......
My eldest was one of the six made redundant.
My older sister knows the company owner through Rotary.
15 April 2015, 11:45 AM
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All well and good..........except the company in question made redundant 6 partly trained, in training, British lads, on £7.50 an hour, and took on six supposedly fully trained Po's on £6.49 an hour.
Meanwhile, the company owner puts his SEVENTH brand new car in his seven car garage......
My eldest was one of the six made redundant.
My older sister knows the company owner through Rotary.
Meanwhile, the company owner puts his SEVENTH brand new car in his seven car garage......
My eldest was one of the six made redundant.
My older sister knows the company owner through Rotary.
15 April 2015, 12:00 PM
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We'll ignore the fact that seeking to minimise outgoings is generally good business practice. 
Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.
As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
15 April 2015, 12:12 PM
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We'll ignore the fact that seeking to minimise outgoings is generally good business practice. Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.
As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
You're better then that I think.
15 April 2015, 01:01 PM
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We'll ignore the fact that seeking to minimise outgoings is generally good business practice. Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.
As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
Although sacking off trainees could be considered more than a little short sighted.As for the company owner buying a 7th car, what he chooses to do with his money is entirely his own choice.
Out of the 6 trainees, ONLY TWO ever finished the course they were on, and got the certification. My lad, and one other. The other four wasted their years of work.
And the only reason the two were taken on elsewhere is that me and the other lad's father rang round asking for someone to take our son on, if we paid the salary and oncosts.
Even then, it was touch and go..........but of course, Lying Labour had set it all up so that if the lads weren't in work, they couldn't finish the course
15 April 2015, 01:11 PM
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Oppressed? How do you know they're oppressed? No one is forcing them to work for him. If they want more pay they can go else where, much like when you see something you want for less money, you buy from the place with the lowest price. The fact that this businessman can buy a new car is not down to "oppressing" your workforce, it is more to do with how successfully he is able to run his business and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Only here do you find people lambaste success and entrepreneurship, it's a race to the bottom.
15 April 2015, 01:22 PM
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Oppressed? How do you know they're oppressed? No one is forcing them to work for him. If they want more pay they can go else where, much like when you see something you want for less money, you buy from the place with the lowest price. The fact that this businessman can buy a new car is not down to "oppressing" your workforce, it is more to do with how successfully he is able to run his business and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Only here do you find people lambaste success and entrepreneurship, it's a race to the bottom.
You really are deluded! "If they want more pay they can go else where"..... best laugh I've had all year 
15 April 2015, 01:23 PM
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That's not actually what I said though was it. Simplistically from the economic stand point the whole purpose of a business is to maximise profit for it's owners/share holders. At no point did I ever say that was right or admirable, I personally hold several things higher than the accumulation of wealth but that's another discussion entirely.
15 April 2015, 01:29 PM
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15 April 2015, 03:00 PM
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That's not entirely true, I know people who've been all over the world following the work/money. It really is a question of how tied to a location the individual is.
15 April 2015, 03:37 PM
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15 April 2015, 04:13 PM
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Oppressed? How do you know they're oppressed? No one is forcing them to work for him. If they want more pay they can go else where, much like when you see something you want for less money, you buy from the place with the lowest price. The fact that this businessman can buy a new car is not down to "oppressing" your workforce, it is more to do with how successfully he is able to run his business and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. Only here do you find people lambaste success and entrepreneurship, it's a race to the bottom.
1. The lads were all in training, not yet qualified, so unable to "go somewhere else",
2. As we found, the local places were all laying off, so unable even to take lads on if we paid their wages and oncosts.
3. And since he was untrained, and living at home, moving around the country was out of the question.
Sadly, your "catch all" answers just aren't the answer
15 April 2015, 06:53 PM
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Again, all well and good, but in the case I quoted,
1. The lads were all in training, not yet qualified, so unable to "go somewhere else",
2. As we found, the local places were all laying off, so unable even to take lads on if we paid their wages and oncosts.
3. And since he was untrained, and living at home, moving around the country was out of the question.
Sadly, your "catch all" answers just aren't the answer
1. The lads were all in training, not yet qualified, so unable to "go somewhere else",
2. As we found, the local places were all laying off, so unable even to take lads on if we paid their wages and oncosts.
3. And since he was untrained, and living at home, moving around the country was out of the question.
Sadly, your "catch all" answers just aren't the answer
15 April 2015, 08:54 PM
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Personally I think there are to many Immigrants coming in and there needs to be more controls to stop benefit chasers at the very least. Also their employers need to be supervised and scrutinised more rigorously to curb exploitation, at the end of the day if a business can't operate within the law and make a reasonable profit or at least pay all concerned a decent living wage then it needs to go under.
I think there should be some exceptions that receive some sort of government subsidy like the old YTS system to help train people and also in the farming industry so that we don't lose the skills and still produce British products and food, it's a price worth paying, also better to get people into some sort of training than just give them money for nothing.
We need to give people some hope for a better future as it's the only way to get them off the dole and into work, if they have some sort of skills then they can market themselves, but with no experience or training they'll never be incentivised to get off the dole as they'll always be better off doing nothing than stacking shelves or flipping burgers.
I think there should be some exceptions that receive some sort of government subsidy like the old YTS system to help train people and also in the farming industry so that we don't lose the skills and still produce British products and food, it's a price worth paying, also better to get people into some sort of training than just give them money for nothing.
We need to give people some hope for a better future as it's the only way to get them off the dole and into work, if they have some sort of skills then they can market themselves, but with no experience or training they'll never be incentivised to get off the dole as they'll always be better off doing nothing than stacking shelves or flipping burgers.
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16 April 2015, 09:16 AM
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Personally I think there are to many Immigrants coming in and there needs to be more controls to stop benefit chasers at the very least. Also their employers need to be supervised and scrutinised more rigorously to curb exploitation, at the end of the day if a business can't operate within the law and make a reasonable profit or at least pay all concerned a decent living wage then it needs to go under.
I think there should be some exceptions that receive some sort of government subsidy like the old YTS system to help train people and also in the farming industry so that we don't lose the skills and still produce British products and food, it's a price worth paying, also better to get people into some sort of training than just give them money for nothing.
We need to give people some hope for a better future as it's the only way to get them off the dole and into work, if they have some sort of skills then they can market themselves, but with no experience or training they'll never be incentivised to get off the dole as they'll always be better off doing nothing than stacking shelves or flipping burgers.
I think there should be some exceptions that receive some sort of government subsidy like the old YTS system to help train people and also in the farming industry so that we don't lose the skills and still produce British products and food, it's a price worth paying, also better to get people into some sort of training than just give them money for nothing.
We need to give people some hope for a better future as it's the only way to get them off the dole and into work, if they have some sort of skills then they can market themselves, but with no experience or training they'll never be incentivised to get off the dole as they'll always be better off doing nothing than stacking shelves or flipping burgers.
The training regimes so far dreamed up by governments have been token gestures at the very most.
They ALL rely on the YP being in employment after the first year at college, and cannot go forward without that employment.
Ten years ago we had the stupid situation where Lying labour made it clear that we needed 80,000 new plumbers in the UK.
So they opened up loads of places on plumbing courses.
Of course, 95% of those doing the first year couldn't find anyone to employ them, so drifted on to a different course and so on.
Now we have many YP's who have a year's plumbing, a year's decorating, a year's brickwork etc etc. But no actual qualifications.
I mean........work it out yourself......if the country is SHORT of plumbers, (and it still is), who the hell is going to employ thousands of plumbing apprentices?
And don't even start me on Bliar's government's conning of hundreds of thousands of YP's to go to university, ending up with useless degrees, huge debt and no chance of work.
And most of those who HAVE degrees.......are we going to see THEM willing to do hotel work? Land work?
Successive governments have fukced it for youth in this country, conned them, left them unemployable, then imported people to do the jobs they CAN do.
What we need is a revolution.
16 April 2015, 09:36 AM
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This^^^^
The training regimes so far dreamed up by governments have been token gestures at the very most.
They ALL rely on the YP being in employment after the first year at college, and cannot go forward without that employment.
Ten years ago we had the stupid situation where Lying labour made it clear that we needed 80,000 new plumbers in the UK.
So they opened up loads of places on plumbing courses.
Of course, 95% of those doing the first year couldn't find anyone to employ them, so drifted on to a different course and so on.
Now we have many YP's who have a year's plumbing, a year's decorating, a year's brickwork etc etc. But no actual qualifications.
I mean........work it out yourself......if the country is SHORT of plumbers, (and it still is), who the hell is going to employ thousands of plumbing apprentices?
And don't even start me on Bliar's government's conning of hundreds of thousands of YP's to go to university, ending up with useless degrees, huge debt and no chance of work.
And most of those who HAVE degrees.......are we going to see THEM willing to do hotel work? Land work?
Successive governments have fukced it for youth in this country, conned them, left them unemployable, then imported people to do the jobs they CAN do.
What we need is a revolution.
The training regimes so far dreamed up by governments have been token gestures at the very most.
They ALL rely on the YP being in employment after the first year at college, and cannot go forward without that employment.
Ten years ago we had the stupid situation where Lying labour made it clear that we needed 80,000 new plumbers in the UK.
So they opened up loads of places on plumbing courses.
Of course, 95% of those doing the first year couldn't find anyone to employ them, so drifted on to a different course and so on.
Now we have many YP's who have a year's plumbing, a year's decorating, a year's brickwork etc etc. But no actual qualifications.
I mean........work it out yourself......if the country is SHORT of plumbers, (and it still is), who the hell is going to employ thousands of plumbing apprentices?
And don't even start me on Bliar's government's conning of hundreds of thousands of YP's to go to university, ending up with useless degrees, huge debt and no chance of work.
And most of those who HAVE degrees.......are we going to see THEM willing to do hotel work? Land work?
Successive governments have fukced it for youth in this country, conned them, left them unemployable, then imported people to do the jobs they CAN do.
What we need is a revolution.
There really should be some mechanism to capture people like your lad and allow them to complete their training even without an employer. Yeah granted at the end of the training they may well still be jobless but at least they've got usable skills/qualifications that they can take forward into the future.
As for pointless degrees, don't get me started. I was at 6th form splat in the middle of Labours big drive to get every school leaver in to uni and some of the courses I saw people applying for were ****ing ridiculous.
16 April 2015, 03:46 PM
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LOL, no, I do talk some sense sometimes.
I also tend to get into rant mode easily......but it's only because I care.
My youngest has a decent Chemistry degree. He was 6 months finding work, has never had anything except agency work, and even now, is on another 18 month contract.
Once his girlfriend finishes HER degree in 2016, I reckon they'll be off.....abroad, down south, a city, etc etc, but there STILL aren't sufficient jobs in the north, despite what politicians tell you.
I also tend to get into rant mode easily......but it's only because I care.
My youngest has a decent Chemistry degree. He was 6 months finding work, has never had anything except agency work, and even now, is on another 18 month contract.
Once his girlfriend finishes HER degree in 2016, I reckon they'll be off.....abroad, down south, a city, etc etc, but there STILL aren't sufficient jobs in the north, despite what politicians tell you.
16 April 2015, 05:08 PM
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LOL, no, I do talk some sense sometimes.
I also tend to get into rant mode easily......but it's only because I care.
My youngest has a decent Chemistry degree. He was 6 months finding work, has never had anything except agency work, and even now, is on another 18 month contract.
Once his girlfriend finishes HER degree in 2016, I reckon they'll be off.....abroad, down south, a city, etc etc, but there STILL aren't sufficient jobs in the north, despite what politicians tell you.
I also tend to get into rant mode easily......but it's only because I care.
My youngest has a decent Chemistry degree. He was 6 months finding work, has never had anything except agency work, and even now, is on another 18 month contract.
Once his girlfriend finishes HER degree in 2016, I reckon they'll be off.....abroad, down south, a city, etc etc, but there STILL aren't sufficient jobs in the north, despite what politicians tell you.