Martin2005

What are you talking about?

Sti Prodrive Edition

The "Stupid British Public" you refer to are paying for enough of their own indigenous population to sit at home, breed children that are just future asbos, Jail fodder and teen Mums whilst collecting literally hundreds of pounds in benefits weekly because they are too lazy to work and why would they when they don't have to? Just like charity begins at home, so should benefit cuts.

Sti Prodrive Edition

I have encountered a lot of immigrants in my work and they in the main are damned hard workers and not as lazy as a lot of their British counterparts. A British man who has been on the dole for generations is not going to clean toilets for a living. An immigrant is happy to...because they have a work ethic that the welfare state has helped to destroy in this country. We would have plenty room for good hard working immigrants if we were to rehouse our lazy in Lithuania, Romania and places like that and then they would see if the Eastern European Govts will give them money so they can go shopping by taxi LOL...I work and I get a bus when I don't have the car but no not our doleys...They're too posh for Buses

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Try not to believe everything you see in the papers/on TV, there's a good chap.

Norman Dog

iTrader: (1)

Simple fact here.

There's too many of them.



And that's before you even start to look at the likes of this lot waiting at Calais.

Sti Prodrive Edition

Clarify instead of condescending...There's a dear fellow ;-)...Oh and I speak from personal experience as well as 1 TV program

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

But of course, they DON'T want to come for benefits, free housing or free health care...do they Martin?

Sti Prodrive Edition

Some do...some don't just like us British...So we're on 1st name terms now too...How nice dear :-) What's yours??? and don't say a pint

neil-h

So it's just press misrepresentation is it? The indigenous population are all motivated hard working productive citizens eh?

Sti Prodrive Edition

jawadarif

i am an immigrant. i came in the uk. live in a 300k house paid up. work all my life. never claim benefit. run a business with 2 million turn over. employed over 13 full time staff and 5 part time unlike to the white native company like tesco and asda how employed most part time staff to avoid taxes abnd ni and dont pay any cooperate tax.

Martin2005

A few do yes. That's the downside to open borders.
Fortunately there's plenty of upside

stilover

And so is the blindness, drummed into them about how all immigration is good for the UK.


I have no problem a skilled person coming into the UK to work, in a job that can't be filled by a UK national. They'll contribute to the economy by paying taxes, and make Britain better.


The work shy benefit claimants who just come here for the free money/home, need to be stopped.


Stop all benefits to immigrants, stop housing them, stop them using the NHS as a free medical centre, and introduce a points system. Make all none-nationals carry medical insurance, just like we have to when we go abroad. Nigel Farage said just that, and was called a Racist. He's not, and neither am I.


Stop the gravy train, watch them look elsewhere.


I'm sure the Green party will welcome your vote !

stilover

Are you serious? A few?

Take your head out of the sand, seriously.


Another Green party voter!

Sti Prodrive Edition

Well said Sir.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

Actually that's a good point.

Has any pro-immigration person here been to Calais in recent months and seen whats going on round there. Its an eye opener, I assure you.

I was there last November and they have serious problems. Admittedly these are illegal immigrants mostly from various regions of Africa, that if/when they do come to the UK will work in the black market. They will be an unknown quantity to government.

Its obvious they are coming here for a better life, but I find it quite upsetting that they all seem to be under an illusion that what is here for them is better than what they have back home, no matter how squalid.

neil-h

Ooooooooh you're back, excellent.

Kwik

iTrader: (10)

As the campaign in the OP reflects the exact same level of truth when it comes to being pro-immigration. Propaganda is propaganda.

There are pro's and con's to everything, the indigenous population included. The majority seem to be in agreement that we need tighter border controls and a reform on who we give working visas to and what we require from any applicant. Getting the work shy indigenous back into the working world is a seperate issue and isn't a reason to just allow anyone in as they would only be as bad as the worst the UK has to offer.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

There are many, many who are, who would love to work, but whose jobs are being done by immigrants.

The Lying Labour party portrayed the immigrants as harder working and the Brits as feckless and workshy.

The Tories went further.

The truth is somewhere between, as always.

I KNOW people whose jobs were taken by immigrants, who were made redundant and left unemployed while immigrants from Poland did their jobs for less money. Meanwhile, the company owner put his seventh brand new car into his seven car garage.

Do you seriously expect those people to welcome the Po's?

warrenm2

Have to smile at the fact that people are having arguments back and forth over something I said. I thought the point was pretty clear, but the usual idiots try and twist my words.

Yes I used the places where there are known, proven and prosecuted cases of Muslim rapes. Did I ever say "ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE RAPISTS"? No of course I didn't and to imply I did makes you a tw@t. I said immigration needs to be put in context, and part of that context is Muslim rape gangs, Latvian murderers, and Romanian ATM thieves.

The question that should really be answered is, what problem is immigration solving? Are we short of people? Cant get enough low skilled builders? Why exactly are we importing all these people? And please dont say how the NHS would collapse without Phillipino aux nurses.....

Martin2005

Why the **** did you start the thread in the first place then?

YOUR views are so repugnant it amazes me you survive your UKIP door knocking episodes. BTW do you insult people face to face, or save it for a safer environment?

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Ahem I started it thanks. And I started it as I am a bit sick of the anti-immigrant stance many on this board seem to take and that is prevalent in much of society even if it is all a bit 'underground'. I think the campaign is basically a good thing!

This thread so far has a reasonably sensible and calm discussion about immigration too.... a bonus for SN! Mind you, there's time yet!

Martin2005

The irony is that one day Warren going to need a pension, and with a rapidly aging population we are going to need millions more immigrants to fill that void and support the system.
You NEVER hear UKIP talking about that.

Alan Jeffery

You never hear anybody saying that, because it's tripe.

Martin2005

Really? Care to expand?

It's economics 101actually.

warrenm2

Martin in completely lost it shocker - oh wait, that's his default setting

Martin2005

Have I?

Let's debate the facts then. You just want to hit and run with sound bites.

neil-h

If you would kindly Alan, it would be much appreciated because I have a feeling you may well be wrong. Ask yourself one question, why do companies employ immigrants (and please try and look past the 'cheap labour' argument because that doesn't actually get far in the real world)?

dpb

You don't hear it cos it's too much for the electorate to bear..!

Along with the possibility that your house value will stay static or not be worth he paper its written on

We are definitely an ageing population, like most of europe - Something will have to give!

jonc

The truth is in these tough economic times, companies have to cut costs in order to remain competitive and keep their head above water, this is the economic reality. If businesses can't source cheaper materials/services then staff are next in line. They have to balance whether it is better to reduce staffing numbers and make existing employees work harder or longer on the same pay or keep the same head count at a lower cost to remain in business. Companies can't discriminate which nationalities they employ, only those who are willing to work at a lower cost to the employer. If immigrants make up the workforce then that shows they're more willing to work at a lower pay.

Ultimately, we the consumer, also have to shoulder some of the blame as we continually look for the bargains and cheaper products/services which puts increasing pressure on businesses to reduce costs.