They already have I think if the facebook anti-subway groups are anything to go by. It's nothing to do with race or religion, it's about alienating people.

 

Watch how quickly bacon is back on the menu when they start losing money.

 

So true lol

 

O.K I went a bit far and I'm sorry for that I just needed a cig. I would like to add that I have had farmers falling at my feet crying because one of there animals has died. Its not an ideal world but a real one but that doesn't mean that we can't do are best for the animals. I feel very privileged to have worked in some of the finest countryside in the would with these peaceful animals and hate to see them have anything less than what we can provide .

 

Personally I think the supermarkets have completely fecked up the food industry. They've also royally shafted farmers. There is so much processed crap available some people rarely buy fresh fruit/veg and meat.
The price of milk is too low. Farmers squeezed to the point of bankruptcy. Bread is literally given away. Get rid off supermarkets, get rid off fast food outlets (including Subway) and bring back local shops and butchers.
Ain't gonna happen though.

 

Escalating?

http://www.mkweb.co.uk/News/Halal-se...0502142007.htm

 

That's even worse. Why not start a new sister company which serves Halal only and keep the remaining shops as they were.

 

Just goes to show how stupid certain sections of society have become. I know what... let's threaten some shop workers because we can't get our bacon.

Absolutely pathetic.

 

Supermarkets have their place but they should be limited or controlled in what they can sell TBH, what they do to the local high street shop is criminal.

I wouldn't go near a supermarket when it comes to buying beef, local butchers for me every time the difference is night and day compared to supermarket beef.

 

But then you'll moan its halal only

Ive posted numerous times on this thread, its up to the franchise holder what is served in the shops and what isnt.

Dont know why people are making a big issue out of it.

Subway as a brand have not enforced anything.

 

Not at all. My town is full of shops which cater specifically for different origins. I have no problem with that at all if there's a market for it and as long as the British economy benefits from it.

 

If subway have to change there ways because of this media trial is it a good thing or not? I am not a big fan of trial by media (Facebook etc) but do like the fact that people seem to have more of a say . Its just a shame that the power is not used for the greater good rather than to just change a menu. I do how ever want this halal meat to be taken off(its animal cruelty) but at the same time want people to have choices. Are we able to make these choices or is this the very reason we have a government ie the public is not capable/to emotional?

Bit confused

 

No, not really. Only you can say what your feelings are about Muslims as a section of society.

What I take from this, is you are pissed off about some shops making a choice about what they sell. In a nutshell.

I can see where you are coming from regarding choice. That's why I asked if it were possible to sell both halal and non-halal. However, these are franchises and the franchisee will make a decision on what to sell or not sell based on what they feel will make them the most money. If they feel that taking certain items off the menu and putting certain ones on will result in the best possible income, that's what they will do. All people have to do is vote with their feet. As Maz said, if the changes result in loss of income, how quickly will things change again? Probably very.

I work in a shop and across the stores, what we stock varies due to demand. There will always be a few that complain that one shop doesn't stock what another one does and they want it, but I always try to explain that the decision is made by the business to sacrifice one thing for another based on demand in the particular shop. There is no point in selling space being taken up by things that very rarely sell, just in case, when that same space can be used for something that does sell. I hope you get what I mean there because I know it's not necessarily worded that well. The same principle could be applied to certain Subways. The difference being, it's not just wasted shelf space. There is a lot more potential for loss where food is concerned. If they buy in food that doesn't sell (or very little) it is just wasted, it can't be shipped out to another store like non-food items can be.

Stores that changed menus will have carefully considered said changes for their own benefit. If that means sacrificing a small amount of customers, for a rise in trade from a bigger group, then that is what they will do.

I hope something there makes some sense

 

Totally agree. It's a disgusting way to behave. At the end of the day, a business decision has been made, way above the heads of the staff that work there. It is bang out of order to be threatening them, regardless of whether threats would amount to anything more.

Simple response would be vote with their feet. If people are so against what some stores have done, and in turn Subway as a whole, well hit them where it hurts, in the pocket. Don't ever spend money there again. People who disagree in principal (people that don't go there) can still put their point across without resorting to threats on people.

 

Lisa you put things very well(much better than I can) and from what I can see you are fair minded,and I do agree with most of what you say.BUT to say it makes good business is just morally wrong.The fact of the matter is that halal meat has VERY strong links to animal cruelty. The Subways involved my only sell meat that has been killed humanely(not to sure about that).But I still believe that just the association to these practises is wrong and in no way should we endorse this behaviour.

 

Yes it came across clear. It's very difficult in a situation like this to have a free opinion and not come across as racist or against any religion. It isn't about any shop or food it's all purely about being told you do not have a choice.

 

This country is going f'kin mad!

 

[QUOTE=chris j t;11419276BUT to say it makes good business is just morally wrong.[/QUOTE]

Morals could be put into question in various good business decisions.

Like I say, for those who think they are doing something wrong, protest by never spending money in a Subway again. It's the best way.

 

To be honest i couldn't give a toss, i think ive only ever used Subway a few times in my life anyway. That's nothing to do with whats on their menu, its to do with the cost.....A fiver for a fricking roll! You get more for your money in a local bakery or sandwich shop.

 

You could say it was fundamentally because bacon's off the menu but others see a loss of identity or the ominous feeling off being supplanted. Some idiots will express racist views and others will find it just offensive.

I could imagine uproar in Saudi Arabia etc if the Christian 5% of the population there make a deal of "15:29" and Halal started to be removed from eateries most frequented by non-Muslims to encourage them to still eat there.

I think colonisation and move away from integration is a dangerous thing. I'd like to see the Government intervene tbh. I know the underlying intention of Subway maybe a commercial one but it's all adding to the threat of no go areas and temptation of creating/wanting Sharia zones.

 

Lol subway stop selling bacon and now we're going to have sharia law.

All this fuss about nothing. I doubt many muslims use subway anyway regardless of halal meat or bacon.

 

I think your imagination is very active.

 

Let the franchise owners decide what they do and don't want to sell IMO. They know what their customers want and know whether their profits will be affected.

Personally I wouldn't eat in Subway and don't eat meat so I don't give a crap what they do

 

You are all aware that schools are feeding your kids Halal meat to cut complication ?

To avoid the pain of separation of meats, they just pay up for the easy option.

The only Subway "owner" I know is a Muslim and doesn't serve ham or bacon in his store.

Mind you he smokes, drinks has a wife and kids somewhere Darn 'Sarf... and runs a local blonde hottie up here where he works....


dunx

P.S. I'll raise my pitchfork when supermarkets stop stocking bacon !

 

Ignorance is bliss eh

 

I just been in Tesco s this morning and noticed thru have there own halal butchers section getting stupid now they be allowing stoning in the streets next

 

In what way is that ignorance?

 

maybe its because you don't eat meat(are you a vegi?) you say its o.k for them to sell what they want but do you not have concerns about animal cruelty?.Would it be o.k for them to sell burgers made from un wanted puppys?,if it made a good profit,hence ignorance is bliss.

 

Do they sell meat from unwanted puppies? Of course not. Do I think eating meat from any animal is better than eating puppies? No. An animal is an animal. What I do think is that people have the right to make their own decisions. I won't force my views on anyone else and expect the same in return. I have abolitionist vegan friends who would be more than happy to though. That's their business.

You're missing the point of the discussion, which is whether Subway franchisees can choose not to sell certain meats. That's up to them. The discussion isn't about whether Subway should sell any animal products is it?

Ignorance is not bliss, informing yourself and respecting the views of others, however, is.

 

Problem is if everyone respected the views of others this thread would have died around 7 pages back and that's assuming it would have been started at all.