stevie1982

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People need some help i have AP 4pots, 304mm disks (i think), with Ferodo DS2500 on at the minute but the disk need replacing.

i have been looking around and there are soo many makes of disk such as AP, EBC, BLACK DIAMOND, PERFORMANCE FRICTION and so on and so on.

priced from £180-£600

now what i do want to know is not what is the best palce to buy them, nor what some folk will recommend as they make the most profit on them. I am looking for real useage here, which you have personaly found to be in your opinion the best disk and setup.

what i do want to know is what are BEST disk suited for the classic impreza?

and even

what DISK and PAD combo is best for the classic impreza?

i need them for road use and on the track,

now please let me knwo

Godspeed Brakes

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Yes the only 2 as you sell them


As per my PM to you , the best you could fit would be my 330mm discs to fit the 304mm bells , with discs , bigger is ALWAYS better .

Cheers Ian

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

And you know that without trying them do you ?

My discs are as good as anything , and are on plenty of track , race and rally cars to prove it , as well as thousands of road cars.

Nothing at all wrong with the discs I make and supply

Cheers Ian

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

WOW sorry guys i was only asking - hey why dont you both supply me a set and i will test them out and let you know what i think

back on topic i have been looking and i can find the 304mm AP's for £420-£520 depending on if i need 28mm or 32mm thickness not sure how i can tell though?

which is an lot of money considering that is

A) a small disk
B) i would like to upgrade to a AP 6pot kit at a later date
C) well just FIVE HUNDERED quid for a set of disks , now i am shocked at how much these go for so looked and a set of Performance Friction disks and they are the same cost.

so are you paying for a brand name or are they actually that good and worth the money compared to a set of something like BLACK DIAMOND or EBC which are arounf £180 a set.

advice and opinins please

steve

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

£500 for a pair of rotors not bad ! try telling that to the person paying it

As above , the fast road makes , blackdiamond , EBC ect dont offer a disc for your needs , it will be the likes of AP , alcon , and me , there were some cheapy discs from china I seen on another forum a while ago but they wore out in about 2k miles lol

As in your other thread in general , there are plenty of people USING my discs and will recommend them , not just giving out 'advise' just because they dont want you to buy mine.

I know these cars can cost a fortune to run , so any saving on a like for like product , and in this case a big saving , with good guarantee's can only help

Cheers Ian

stockcar

you will almost definately be on a 28mm thick disc if they are the 304mm kit.............only reason not to be is because someone has messed about with things or its a "fabricated" kit by someone other than AP originally

alyn

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Alyn , you do a 330mm copy disc for the AP's , do you do one to fit his application ? ( I promise I wont tell bob )

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

bob thanks for that but do you know if they are using the 330mm disk as the issue i have is the disk size is only 304mm which i think is the biggest problem. in more than one occasion i have been advised that the 330mm disk is the best disk size for a classic (just what i was told) i dont think the 304mm is a big enough surface area for contact if you get what i mean. so the fact you cant fit a bigger disk to the smaller housing (unless it be ian sets ) i was thinking of just going full hog and getting a set of AP 6pots or K-Sports but still would like to know what the best disk and pad combo is?

stevie1982

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i can understand the £500 if they were say the 356mm disk etc but to pay £500 for the small 304mm disk which i dont think is big enough to do the job is something really hard to swallow, where the 330mm is so i have no problem.

i agree these cars are not cheap to run, mod, maintain and i accpet that and have done for nearly 5 years and almost as many imprezas. i am now runnign bob ralwes old sti 5 which is bloody awsome and the fuel bill to go with is shocking but worth every penny. so i am just try to spend my money wisely, why soend £500 on something that i can get for £300 that is as good which leaves £200 to put towards other bits i want for the car.

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Steve, that was with a genuine AP 304mm disc and we're talking full on track car with over 500bhp.

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

Ok thanks for that, is there an easy way to tell what model number they are or will i have to remmove them to see the model number at the back.

and out of the AP and PF which gets peoles vote

thanks

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Not quite sure on WHAT BOB is basing his recent set of claims, but Ian's discs are as good as any. Two piece, alloy bell, etc. PLUS a guarantee against warping even with track use? Do you get that with AP or PF?

ben wrx

iTrader: (1)

No problems here with Ian's 2 Piece 330mm Discs

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nor here. Better shut up, or I "might" get another infraction........

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Bob , if thats whats rocks your boat , knock yourself out ! and if you need a hand doing that , give me a shout

Godspeed Brakes

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[QUOTE=BOB'5;9171098]Steve, that was with a genuine AP 304mm disc and we're talking full on track car with over 500bhp.
QUOTE]

There's is no way on gods earth that the 304mm kit would be ' more than enough braking ' on a track impreza with over 500 hp if it was being used to its fullest , I have found the limits on a rally car in the woods with this size brakes and thats only running 300hp !

henrysmith

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Have Ian's 335mm upgrade on my GB270 wagon and on the standard WRX 4 pots with DS2500 pads - not tracked it but have never been let down by them on the road even when loaded up or pushing on (or pushing, pushing, pushing on!). Have had tarox, DBA4000 wiperslots and TSL group N discs on previous Subaru's with EBC redstuff and then DS2500's - Ian's are by far the best I have used. The TSL's were very good but Ian's 'Oversized' discs win every time!

stevie1982

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Thanks for all your advice guys i really appreciate it

scoobymad555

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Bob - I'm confused mate, are those pictures simply to demonstrate the difference in design or are you suggesting that the pics on the right have been used in an equal fashion and amount to the ones on the left? I'm asking since the ones on the right look like they're fresh out the packet as there's no brake dust / road dirt on them anywhere and the bolt holes on the bell housing don't show any signs of having been on a hub.

If you are saying there of equal use in all manners then would you be able to pm me a price please? - I'm pretty sure they'd last me till I die of old age

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Like the everlasting gobstopper from ***** wonka

Yes Bob , as your the self proclaimed guru of brakes on here , tell us the technical detail between the two , as you have obviously tested them both , let us know the recorded temperature readings you got between the 2 types , one with straight vane and the other with curved , let us know the exact differences between the two in the real world .

I have had both types of discs spinning a 2500 revs on my lathe , and you can feel similar amounts of air coming out of both , its not something that is a noticable difference though , so would be interested in your findings

Let everyone know why a floating disc designed for a race or rally car , that gets stripped and cleaned out every race , suddenly has magical powers that on a road car , would not clog up with brake dust and road grime , I ask PF a while ago this question , the answer I got was , cause it wont ...
er ok , the dust and grime gets everywhere else ??

The only other noticable difference , is the finish on the face of the discs , the reson for grooves is to firstly dispell the gases given off the pads , this gas will push the pad off the discs which causes brake fade , so having a groove on the face is somewhere for the gases to go , spot holes in my opinion doesn't do this as effectively , they miss areas of the pads , and fill up with dust , then there's no room left for the gases , also a groove will deglaze the pads , sweeping the surface of them , spot holes will not do this as effectively.

Also another real world difference , is the cost , my discs are nearly half the price , and before you go off on again spouting better materials ect , PF discs get made in the US , someone gets paid to ship them , the dealer in the UK make money on selling them to shops , then the shops make money on selling them to the end user , there's a lot of people making money there.

With mine , I make them , I sell them direct to the end user.

Cheers Ian

stockcar

?? you've lost me know (not hard i know), but we do various 330 rotors but don't do a 304 disc because its too low volume (this is the main reason for the high cost in comparison to other AP rotors)

alyn

Godspeed Brakes

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Ah , only mention you as I knew you did a 330mm copy disc , didn't know if you did a 304mm , as it would have been another option for the OP

Cheers Ian

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

So no solid technical details then ? just a lot of waffle , bit like reading the fmic thread all over again lol

Do some searching on the net , you will find people having problems with discs cracking and warping with AP and PF as well as every other make , doesn't take long to find , so they are not as infalable as you make out.

I do admire your loyalty to PF , considering what they say about you though.

Cheers Ian

iamevilhomer

repeat

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL

And the guarantee on PF and AP discs, against warping, BOB? DO they have it, or DON'T they?

Ian's do

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

blimey you'll be sticking your tongue out to me next lol

Aztec Performance Ltd

iTrader: (234)

Yes, PF discs do Not sure about AP, don't supply them.

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

Sorry bob but that person, does he post on here if so would be good to have a chat with him about it all before I drop money down the drain

cheers