EBC..good stuff?
26 May 2003, 04:21 PM
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Defo need new discs & pads. car has done 40k and brakes begin to lose their efficiency somehow.
My first question would be, how good is the EBC stuff..was thinking to fit EBC street rotos all around with EBC red stuff and fitting Goodridge hoses...somebody has experience with this setup?
Are the original Subaru calipers up to the job, or do I have to change those too?
Secondly, when fitting this setup, what is it all about brake fluid? Do I have to fill up another with another DOT fluid?
Oh, another question is can I get Red stuff pads for the rear? I could not find them in any online shop, example Jap innovations has gree nstuff all round, but red stuff only available for the front...
My first question would be, how good is the EBC stuff..was thinking to fit EBC street rotos all around with EBC red stuff and fitting Goodridge hoses...somebody has experience with this setup?
Are the original Subaru calipers up to the job, or do I have to change those too?
Secondly, when fitting this setup, what is it all about brake fluid? Do I have to fill up another with another DOT fluid?
Oh, another question is can I get Red stuff pads for the rear? I could not find them in any online shop, example Jap innovations has gree nstuff all round, but red stuff only available for the front...
26 May 2003, 06:05 PM
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Hi Alberick
Not on a Scooby, but had the EBC set-up on my previous Pug 206GTi
Put Redstuff pads in 1 week before a trackday, to bed them in, half way through afternoon, the pads were through to the metal.
Not very long lasting at all!!!!
Just put Ferodo DS2500 on my STi, very impressed with stopping power. Try these first m8.
Not on a Scooby, but had the EBC set-up on my previous Pug 206GTi
Put Redstuff pads in 1 week before a trackday, to bed them in, half way through afternoon, the pads were through to the metal.
Not very long lasting at all!!!!
Just put Ferodo DS2500 on my STi, very impressed with stopping power. Try these first m8.
26 May 2003, 06:41 PM
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Keep away from the EBC's on Scoobies.
Very impressed by the Ferodo DS2500's. Also try Pagid disc and pads, which seem to be a popular upgrade retaining the original calipers.
Stainless steel brakelines and dot 5.1 fluid should also make a big difference.
Very impressed by the Ferodo DS2500's. Also try Pagid disc and pads, which seem to be a popular upgrade retaining the original calipers.
Stainless steel brakelines and dot 5.1 fluid should also make a big difference.
27 May 2003, 07:43 AM
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Thanks for all the replies, so EBC is no good....
What's the best place to buy Pagid or Ferodo stuff? You all mention Ferodo pads, do they also make discs for Imprezas?
Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine it's always best to stay with one manufacturer when fitting aftermarket discs & pads..?
Or is there a good combination, like Ferodo pads with Black Diamond discs etc..?
Also, what brake fluid does a MY99 usually have?
What's the best place to buy Pagid or Ferodo stuff? You all mention Ferodo pads, do they also make discs for Imprezas?
Maybe I'm wrong but I imagine it's always best to stay with one manufacturer when fitting aftermarket discs & pads..?
Or is there a good combination, like Ferodo pads with Black Diamond discs etc..?
Also, what brake fluid does a MY99 usually have?
27 May 2003, 08:54 PM
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I found out that the EBC are no good, only after I had been told by lots of people that they were good!!
The reports from people with Pagids are good. Although I don't know anyone who's had them for more than a couple of months.
The reports from people with Pagids are good. Although I don't know anyone who's had them for more than a couple of months.
28 May 2003, 01:52 PM
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Hi Alberick
I have exactly the setup you describe in your first post, track turbogroove discs with redstuff v2 pads, braided hoses all round and dot5 fluid. Standard rears and standard front four pot calipers.
This setup is a lot better than standard because it doesn't fade very easily, pedal feel is much better, and there's hardly any brake dust.
However, I think you have to be very careful bedding them in, to achieve any sort of durability in the pads. When new the lips on the disc grooves are very sharp and would probably take off large chunks of the pads if used heavily before some light wear develops. I was gentle for 600 miles and I'm still on the first set of pads 10000miles later (no trackdays, but heavy road use). Initial bite is weak (especially when cold) but with the braided hoses progressively more pressure on the pedal gives you more and more stopping power, when warm, without fade. They are, however, also noisey.
EBC has had some unfavourable coverage on here, and I crapped myself when I read it all after just forking out on this lot, but overall, from 10 months use, I'm reasonably happy, especially seeing as they were cheap.
I'll need new pads in the next 2000 miles and I'm toying with ferrodo or pagid blue.
Cheers
Simon
I have exactly the setup you describe in your first post, track turbogroove discs with redstuff v2 pads, braided hoses all round and dot5 fluid. Standard rears and standard front four pot calipers.
This setup is a lot better than standard because it doesn't fade very easily, pedal feel is much better, and there's hardly any brake dust.
However, I think you have to be very careful bedding them in, to achieve any sort of durability in the pads. When new the lips on the disc grooves are very sharp and would probably take off large chunks of the pads if used heavily before some light wear develops. I was gentle for 600 miles and I'm still on the first set of pads 10000miles later (no trackdays, but heavy road use). Initial bite is weak (especially when cold) but with the braided hoses progressively more pressure on the pedal gives you more and more stopping power, when warm, without fade. They are, however, also noisey.
EBC has had some unfavourable coverage on here, and I crapped myself when I read it all after just forking out on this lot, but overall, from 10 months use, I'm reasonably happy, especially seeing as they were cheap.
I'll need new pads in the next 2000 miles and I'm toying with ferrodo or pagid blue.
Cheers
Simon
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28 May 2003, 02:01 PM
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Had the drilled and grooved EBC discs with Red pads-Crap!
Changed to green and was equally disgusted. Stay clear of these.
Took them off and had great pleasure in binning them all!!
Changed to green and was equally disgusted. Stay clear of these.
Took them off and had great pleasure in binning them all!!
28 May 2003, 02:05 PM
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What about EBC Turbo Groove discs & Ferodo DS2500 pads? I'm not looking for an ultimate brake system, just a minor improvement to the standard setup but one that has a little more bite than the original...and also creating less brake dust.
Of course, along with that, I would go for stainless brake hoses.
I would be interested to hear other people's experience in various brake setups and how good/bad this setup was/is...?
Of course, along with that, I would go for stainless brake hoses.
I would be interested to hear other people's experience in various brake setups and how good/bad this setup was/is...?
28 May 2003, 02:53 PM
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I had greenstuff pads on my uk spec, result...warped disks after three weeks.
Upgreded to turbo groove disks and redstuff pads, no improvement in stopping power IMHO.
Looking for a better upgrade myself for my STI.
Upgreded to turbo groove disks and redstuff pads, no improvement in stopping power IMHO.
Looking for a better upgrade myself for my STI.
29 May 2003, 01:31 PM
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EBC are only good for reduced brake dust. Having clean alloys is no compensation when your sat in the middle of the roundabout. Waste of money all round mate. I wish I'd have saved the money and gone for a better upgrade straight away.
29 May 2003, 01:41 PM
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I had Pagid Grp N, Braided & Dot 5 plus fast road pad (Pagid), Had them on for 10 months, pads now need doing (10,000), but I have now warped the disk.
However think the warp was due to poor braking tec, so down to me as a good friend has had the same for simular time and still going well.
Scoobysport fitted and supplied org. but I have now found the pads and disks a bit cheaper though Friction Workshop (218.45 incl vat) not fitted or with fliud or stainless bits.
These brakes a great inprovement on standard, and they have never faded. I would recommend this to anyone - if you find them cheaper let me know!
PS friction workshop - 01474 825155, Simon.
Wish you best of luck, enjoy!
Justin
However think the warp was due to poor braking tec, so down to me as a good friend has had the same for simular time and still going well.
Scoobysport fitted and supplied org. but I have now found the pads and disks a bit cheaper though Friction Workshop (218.45 incl vat) not fitted or with fliud or stainless bits.
These brakes a great inprovement on standard, and they have never faded. I would recommend this to anyone - if you find them cheaper let me know!
PS friction workshop - 01474 825155, Simon.
Wish you best of luck, enjoy!
Justin
29 May 2003, 02:39 PM
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EBC + Scoob = Rubbish. end of.
they are absymal brakes - got through 3 seperate sets. first 2 warped on the way home, (with greens) last set didn't (reds) but they also didn't stop the car either and lasted just over 3k miles
utter utter cr4p.
they are absymal brakes - got through 3 seperate sets. first 2 warped on the way home, (with greens) last set didn't (reds) but they also didn't stop the car either and lasted just over 3k miles
utter utter cr4p.
30 May 2003, 12:13 PM
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Thanks for all your replies and advice.
I decided to go for the Ferodo pads as I found a local dealer who offers them at a reasonable price. (149 Euro Front & 193 Rear, BTW is it normal that the rears are more expensive than Fronts or is this simply a misunderstanding??).
Now for the discs... from the same dealer I got offered discs from "Sandtler" (www.sandtler.de if you're interested). They look good but not sure how they perform, price is ok.
So, my questions : how good are the DS2500 for the OEM Subaru discs?
I also got offered Prodrive discs from my Subaru dealer (front only) at 450 Euro for the pair (rather expensive....IMO), anybody heard about those discs before?
Tks,
Ramon
I decided to go for the Ferodo pads as I found a local dealer who offers them at a reasonable price. (149 Euro Front & 193 Rear, BTW is it normal that the rears are more expensive than Fronts or is this simply a misunderstanding??).
Now for the discs... from the same dealer I got offered discs from "Sandtler" (www.sandtler.de if you're interested). They look good but not sure how they perform, price is ok.
So, my questions : how good are the DS2500 for the OEM Subaru discs?
I also got offered Prodrive discs from my Subaru dealer (front only) at 450 Euro for the pair (rather expensive....IMO), anybody heard about those discs before?
Tks,
Ramon
30 May 2003, 03:57 PM
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A mate of mine likes EBC Green Stuff pads on his Westie, no horror stories there. Apparently they're liked by Westie owners. Never tried them on the Scoob, but I have tried the "Group N+" option which includes Pagid 421 pads and Pagid rotors. I'm pleased with them and they stood up to track day usage reasonably well.
If finances allow - consider an upgrade to a "BIG" brake kit. If it's a moderate upgrade you're looking for, then the Pagid option is pretty decent.
If finances allow - consider an upgrade to a "BIG" brake kit. If it's a moderate upgrade you're looking for, then the Pagid option is pretty decent.
30 May 2003, 04:41 PM
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I have EBC Turbo Groove front & rear, Also Goodridge hoses all round, Greenstuff @ the Rear & Redstuff up front, Really impressed with the Discs peformance & the green stuff @ the rear, But not to impressed with the redstuff, Waiting for them to wear a little lower & then in the Bin, Been on this setup for about a year & swapped to Red stuff half way through, Cars running 282 Bhp (last rolling road) & has some pig most days, so then do the brakes, No probs so far with Discs
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