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Old 10 May 2019, 09:00 AM
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Question Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 XL or Standard?

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Just a question regarding tyres for my Hawkeye WRX, after a year of ownership I'm wanting to swap out the tyres the previous owner stuck on the car as they are terrible (Haida HD921 215/45ZR17 87W) for Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 (215/45 R17 91Y). Is there any difference or benefit in going for the XL version over the standard?

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Old 10 May 2019, 10:37 AM
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Xl = extra load, you need Xl for our cars
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Old 10 May 2019, 10:53 AM
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Particularly as Goodyear have relatively soft side walls anyway
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Old 10 May 2019, 12:06 PM
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Do you think XL tyres have stiffer sidewalls?
Run flats have stiff sidewalls - are they good for handling/ride?
XL changes the sidewall construction, to allow higher inflation pressures, for heavier vehicles - it doesn't follow that the sidewall will be stiffer.
Some performance tyre sizes are only available with the XL designation.

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Old 12 May 2019, 07:50 PM
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Particularly as Goodyear have relatively soft side walls anyway
Pilot Sport 4's are no better tbh, I've killed 3 in the past year, all sidewall issues too
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Originally Posted by MrRtm View Post
Pilot Sport 4's are no better tbh, I've killed 3 in the past year, all sidewall issues too
Pilot Super sports are good, my last set did 20000 miles plus, great performance tyre on a spec c
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Old 13 May 2019, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MrRtm View Post
Pilot Sport 4's are no better tbh, I've killed 3 in the past year, all sidewall issues too
What's happening?
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Old 13 May 2019, 03:24 PM
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After 6 or so years of banging on about how good the Eagle F1s were I made the mistake of fitting them on a Golf R to replace the OEM Bridgestones the car came with.

I'm moving over to Pilot Sports now.
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Old 13 May 2019, 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pot View Post
What's happening?
Bought a set of 4, 2 had sidewall issues and were replaced under warranty by michelin, 3rd (but was the 2nd to happen) was my fault after mounting a kerb, although still it was the sidewall that failed. Still run them on my car as besides that they've been great.
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Old 14 May 2019, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthWalesSam View Post
After 6 or so years of banging on about how good the Eagle F1s were I made the mistake of fitting them on a Golf R to replace the OEM Bridgestones the car came with.

I'm moving over to Pilot Sports now.
Why was it a mistake?
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Loss of steering feel.

The Eagle F1s are a very good allrounder, excellent value and superb in the wet in rainy Wales.
But the loss of steering feel (which provides a chunk of the enjoyment and confidence when pressing on) compared to the Bridgestones was immediately noticeable.
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Old 14 May 2019, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by SouthWalesSam View Post
Loss of steering feel.

The Eagle F1s are a very good allrounder, excellent value and superb in the wet in rainy Wales.
But the loss of steering feel (which provides a chunk of the enjoyment and confidence when pressing on) compared to the Bridgestones was immediately noticeable.
Ah right I see. Wet performance is a must for me as my the current Haida HD921 tyres understeers and slides when the road is even slightly damp. There is no steering feel what so ever with those tyres either. They are fine in the dry when it's warm outside but are not confidence inspiring.

My only comparison i have is the Continental Sport Contact 3s on my Suzuki Swift Sport which are kinda in the same realm as the Eagle F1 5s and the steering feel and grip in wet and dry on those are great once the tyres are warmed up a bit so I'd be happy with a similar experience on my WRX. The price point of the Goodyears is very appealing too.
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Eagle F1s were the go to tyres when I had 205s back in the day as I think the softer sidewall suits lighter cars. Michelin Pilot Super Sports are the best full tread performance tyre I've used and will be fitting another set once the current F1s expire.
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Old 14 May 2019, 08:15 PM
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Michelin PSS were superceded by the Pilot Sport 4S 18" - 22"
The US has Pilot Sport 4S in 17's:
215/45 ZR17 91Y
225/45 ZR17 94Y
225/50 ZR17 98Y
235/45 ZR17 97Y
245/40 ZR17 95Y
245/45 ZR17 99Y

The Pilot Sport 4 16" - 21" Michelin consider this as good as the PSS, with better life and wet grip.

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Originally Posted by 2pot View Post
. The Pilot Sport 4 16" - 21" Michelin consider this as good as the PSS, with better life and wet grip.
Yes, and we love them on the 18s our E350 coupe on which they've really sharpened up the feel while still being comfortable and quiet.

And this is one of the reasons I'll be switching the Sube from F1s to PSes when next it's time to change.
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Originally Posted by 2pot View Post
Michelin PSS were superceded by the Pilot Sport 4S 18" - 22"
The US has Pilot Sport 4S in 17's:
215/45 ZR17 91Y
225/45 ZR17 94Y
225/50 ZR17 98Y
235/45 ZR17 97Y
245/40 ZR17 95Y
245/45 ZR17 99Y

The Pilot Sport 4 16" - 21" Michelin consider this as good as the PSS, with better life and wet grip.
Super sports are still made, they are Toyota's choice for the new Supra. Imo PS4s aren't in the same league as SSs.
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Can't get the PS4s in 17" in the UK. So PSS would still be my tyre choice for that reason.
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Old 20 May 2019, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TECHNOPUG View Post
Can't get the PS4s in 17" in the UK. So PSS would still be my tyre choice for that reason.
Michelin only list the super sport in 205/45 x 17? Isn't that a BWM oe size?
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Originally Posted by hedgecutter View Post
Super sports are still made, they are Toyota's choice for the new Supra. Imo PS4s aren't in the same league as SSs.
Super sports are still listed for 97 sizes, the majority of which are for OE. But, I'd suppose they'd have to continue supply Super Sports for a contacted period, as the 4S came out in Sept '16

1 x 17" still listed
22 x 18" still listed
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Old 20 May 2019, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 2pot View Post
Michelin only list the super sport in 205/45 x 17? Isn't that a BWM oe size?
Yes have them on my 7" WRX wheels but they will also fit on 7.5" STI wheels.
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Back to the OP's question;
XL tyres have extra reinforcement to allow you to run higher pressures for higher load carrying capacity, over and above normal rating.
So they're a bit heavier and stiffer than standard tyres but not quite as bad a run flats.

XL's are normally spec'd on bigger cars/ family wagons. Nothing to do with handling, potential corning G forces etc.
BMW M3 CSL doesn't have XL tyres spec'd for example.
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