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Old 02 May 2011, 07:28 PM
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Well, happily heading up the A465 this afternoon and the Bug starts to lose power then rattle No plumes of smoke from the zorst so thought that may be a good sign , trundled about 1/2 mile to a parking area and on popping the bonnet, saw that the lower rad hose was off !!!!

The temprature gauge never rose over the 1/2 way mark, during this incident, which I thought was another good thing

Refitted and refilled the car and on starting was met with a nice rattly rumbly sound track - and a fair amount of blue smoke

Bugs now recovered to the "Cave" courtesy of the RAC, I either need a match or Merv - where you get your car cover from

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Is it the pesky thermostat problem causing havoc?
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My lower radiator hose rubbed through only a couple of days back mate,only realised when the temp starting rising very rapidly and its done my HG's in
I really know where your coming from on this mate.
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I know how you feel Simon if it's of any comfort, did you replace/refit the thermostat?

At least it didn't overheat today but the blue/black smoke doesn't sound very good either, how is the oil level / consistency?

Let me know if I can help in anyway.
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
I know how you feel Simon if it's of any comfort, did you replace/refit the thermostat?

At least it didn't overheat today but the blue/black smoke doesn't sound very good either, how is the oil level / consistency?

Let me know if I can help in anyway.
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Gutted, after all that hard work
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Sorry to hear that mate cars are a pain in the ****! Apparently there's a texlst you can do with the thermostat, dip it into boiling water to see if it opens! Try it and see what happens!! I bought my cover from www.coveryourcar.co.uk expensive but worth it
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Gutted for you Si, I hope the damage done isn't too extensive.
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Thermostat has been out for the last week, the car has been running nice and cool. Though have had a slight leak from the thermo housing, which I had been topping up every day (about a 500mls a day in the header tank I reckon).

The engine noise and blue smoke make me assume it's more than the cooling system now
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Originally Posted by prodriverules
My lower radiator hose rubbed through only a couple of days back mate,only realised when the temp starting rising very rapidly and its done my HG's in
I really know where your coming from on this mate.
Nightmare that did you get any nasty engine noises or smoke when they failed you.

Hope you get sorted soon
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Nightmare that did you get any nasty engine noises or smoke when they failed you.

Hope you get sorted soon
Thankfully not but I only fully forged the bottom end 2.3k miles ago so I suspect that helped it stand strong.
Mine is running hot when stood idling and rises if left,not to bad when going along with the air flow through the radiator but there's also bubbling in the overflow.
I think its just pipped the HG but obviously it will only get worse from now so she's getting parked for now as I don't have the time to pull the motor apart

Where does the rattle sound seem to come from on your engine mate?
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
I know how you feel Simon if it's of any comfort, did you replace/refit the thermostat?

At least it didn't overheat today but the blue/black smoke doesn't sound very good either, how is the oil level / consistency?

Let me know if I can help in anyway.
Cheers Ty, as yet no thermo ordered and was running without one, no overheating and the oil looks good both level wise and no "mayo" under the filler cap

Thanks for the offer of help too .
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Originally Posted by DannyBoy007
Gutted, after all that hard work
Thanks for the sympathy Mate - bloody Car

Originally Posted by mervil
Sorry to hear that mate cars are a pain in the ****! Apparently there's a texlst you can do with the thermostat, dip it into boiling water to see if it opens! Try it and see what happens!! I bought my cover from www.coveryourcar.co.uk expensive but worth it
Therm's been out a few day's now Merv I did put it ina pan of boiling water and it did open about 1cm - apparently it should open up to about 2.5cms Cool cover there Merv
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Gutted for you Si, I hope the damage done isn't too extensive.
And Me Rich - you know how they can bite you though
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Cheers Ty, as yet no thermo ordered and was running without one, no overheating and the oil looks good both level wise and no "mayo" under the filler cap

Thanks for the offer of help too .
Why I mentioned the oil is that does it seek dark/carbonated or 'burnt'?

The thermostat has a rubber seal around it so it would have leaked from the housing as metal to metal contact would not seal at all.
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Originally Posted by prodriverules
Thankfully not but I only fully forged the bottom end 2.3k miles ago so I suspect that helped it stand strong.
Mine is running hot when stood idling and rises if left,not to bad when going along with the air flow through the radiator but there's also bubbling in the overflow.
I think its just pipped the HG but obviously it will only get worse from now so she's getting parked for now as I don't have the time to pull the motor apart

Where does the rattle sound seem to come from on your engine mate?
I'm a bit crap at describing noises seems to be at the top and not a bottom end noise, gets louder as you blip the throttle
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Old 02 May 2011, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cannon Fodder
Why I mentioned the oil is that does it seek dark/carbonated or 'burnt'?

The thermostat has a rubber seal around it so it would have leaked from the housing as metal to metal contact would not seal at all.
The oil on the rag looks OK Ty, it is dark/not new looking but looks quite good.
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Originally Posted by Rally fan 555
I'm a bit crap at describing noises seems to be at the top and not a bottom end noise, gets louder as you blip the throttle
LOL,tbho if it gets worse with increasing the revs its usually not a good sign,is it there on idle like a hollow metallic knock?
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If it's ok on Idle but then sounds like a loud creaking when you rev it then it'll be the same as mine as Ryan said about like metal knocking, sounds like two hammers hitting one another
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Originally Posted by prodriverules
LOL,tbho if it gets worse with increasing the revs its usually not a good sign,is it there on idle like a hollow metallic knock?
Yeah there is and the engine is shaking quite badly, there also appears to be a "Futt Futt" noise from the inlet manifold area.

Sorry about the technical terms
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Originally Posted by mervil
If it's ok on Idle but then sounds like a loud creaking when you rev it then it'll be the same as mine as Ryan said about like metal knocking, sounds like two hammers hitting one another
No it's nasty on idle and gets worse when blipped, metal knocking sounds right Merv
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What's your oil level like?
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If the engine is shaking badly then that is not good news, likely to be a misfire there (had the same when my valve went). The worse thing is that to find out properly what's going wrong you're likely going to have to split the block
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Sorry to say this but it sounds like your engine is fcuked big time, I hope I'm wrong and it's something easily repairable but I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
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Originally Posted by mervil
What's your oil level like?
Oil level is fine, just under the full line...

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If the engine is shaking badly then that is not good news, likely to be a misfire there (had the same when my valve went). The worse thing is that to find out properly what's going wrong you're likely going to have to split the block
It sounds like it's an Operation job Rich

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Sorry to say this but it sounds like your engine is fcuked big time, I hope I'm wrong and it's something easily repairable but I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
I know, I'm hoping for the best Ty but is sounds too nasty to be anything simples
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Couldnt believe it when you text me si, hope its not terminal.
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Thinking aloud here but could it be.....

A failed coil pack, resulting in no spark in one of the cylinders? But would Simon see a check engine light if a coil pack failed?

Other thoughts I had relate to head gasket and pressurising the cooling system BUT no oil contamination so that's not it.

Si, hope it's something simple mate. I'm here if you need a lift anywhere mate
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I can plug my laptop in if you want Simon to see for any stored faults if you want, but given your overheating problem recently I think you might have cooked your engine and today unluckily it finally let go.
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Thinking aloud here but could it be.....

A failed coil pack, resulting in no spark in one of the cylinders? But would Simon see a check engine light if a coil pack failed?

Other thoughts I had relate to head gasket and pressurising the cooling system BUT no oil contamination so that's not it.

Si, hope it's something simple mate. I'm here if you need a lift anywhere mate
Sorry Dean but I had head gasket / head bolt failure and there was no cross contamination - my exhaust gases were pressurising the coolant under boost.
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Couldnt believe it when you text me si, hope its not terminal.
Ta Rich, gutted I am
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