Scottish Independence
17 March 2017, 09:49 AM
#1986
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Duck me, does anyone trust a word any banker says? look at the crap they have dropped us into?
Brexit was nothing compared to 2008.
Carney is just as bad, things are going to be really really really bad, drop the Interest rate, things are no where near as bad as we thought, but there gonna get really really bad, drop the interest rate, employment has dropped, all the growth forcasts have had to be revised up, but things are going to be really really bad, drop the interest rate,,,, see a pattern here?
Interest rate needs to go back up to boost the pound and put pressure on the stock prices to come back down to a sensible level. All this doom and gloom is just making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Decision has been made, it can't be stopped now, get on with and make it work.
But as far as on topic, wee jimmy cranky wants to be wee jimmy queen of scots at the expense of scotland being a lepper in the international comunity.
Anyone claiming scotland is in a better financial position than the rest of the UK needs their head examined and to pull there head of of crankys ***. Go look at the Scottish goverments own financial reporting for the past few years that they legaly have to publish. They are on mega mega trouble, if they didn't have the support of the rest of the UK they would be worse off than Greece
Brexit was nothing compared to 2008.
Carney is just as bad, things are going to be really really really bad, drop the Interest rate, things are no where near as bad as we thought, but there gonna get really really bad, drop the interest rate, employment has dropped, all the growth forcasts have had to be revised up, but things are going to be really really bad, drop the interest rate,,,, see a pattern here?
Interest rate needs to go back up to boost the pound and put pressure on the stock prices to come back down to a sensible level. All this doom and gloom is just making the rich richer and the poor poorer. Decision has been made, it can't be stopped now, get on with and make it work.
But as far as on topic, wee jimmy cranky wants to be wee jimmy queen of scots at the expense of scotland being a lepper in the international comunity.
Anyone claiming scotland is in a better financial position than the rest of the UK needs their head examined and to pull there head of of crankys ***. Go look at the Scottish goverments own financial reporting for the past few years that they legaly have to publish. They are on mega mega trouble, if they didn't have the support of the rest of the UK they would be worse off than Greece
17 March 2017, 10:32 AM
#1987
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
17 March 2017, 12:32 PM
#1989
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What are you, soft?
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
Hint - find me one from a media source thats brexit neutral
17 March 2017, 12:41 PM
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Its pretty clear you have no idea what role a bank's chief economist plays.
There is not a big enough facepalm smiley I could add here
17 March 2017, 12:42 PM
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What are you, soft?
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
17 March 2017, 12:45 PM
#1992
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What are you, soft?
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
Of course he did...and has since changed his views 180 degrees. THAT's what I'm quoting.
The only people changing history are the Remoaners.
Quite how they have completely disappeared the £350 million a day, only they know....and what DID happen to the budget we'd need? To the companies that would all pack up and leave? To the start of WW3? To the £4300 pa it would cost every man, woman and child?
And this morning we have the odious scum that is Chukka Umunna trying to hold the government to a pledge a minority of Brexiteers MAY have made, while studiously ignoring the many, and far worse, lies told by the remoan group...who continue to trot them out.
Pathetic.
Where are you getting £350 million a day from???
The side of that bus? You know the sign that blatently lied to us all?
17 March 2017, 01:05 PM
#1993
Deary deary me, here we go again, the Remoaners' old lady chorus.
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
Jeff
Where are you getting £350 million a day from???
The side of that bus? You know the sign that blatently lied to us all?
Where are you getting £350 million a day from???
The side of that bus? You know the sign that blatently lied to us all?
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
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17 March 2017, 01:12 PM
#1994
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Can you explain this? I am assuming that by a "as a whole" you aren't simply taking the value of the debts and deficits rather than per capita, as that was the only way I could think of to come up with this assertion. Serious question. I was under the impression that Scotland's growth, employment and deficits were all worse than England and they are seriously propping Scotland up given the collapse in oil revenues. How have I been misguided? I thought Scotland was in the midst of a Sturgeon slowdown.
From government figures GDP per person excluding oil revenues are almost the same in England and Scotland. Including oil revenues (even now) GDP per person is higher in Scotland.
There is no "propping up" of Scotland, serious or otherwise as the bulk of the oil revenues (depleted as as they are) go to the UK as a whole, not Scotland.
Thats why evertime someone quotes the barnet formula I just have to shake my head at the ignorance of the whole thing.
UK Plc is, frankly, screwed and has been for years. Agreed, as a percentage of GDP, Scotlands deficit to March 17 in terms of public spending vs tax revenues is worse than the UK as a whole, but at £15bn its significantly less than the UK's deficit of £67.6bn and the £48bn increase in net debt incurred by the UK in that year.
The UK might be the 5th (or 9th) largest economy - depending on interpretation
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-worl...rgest-economy/
But it still runs at a loss and is balance sheet insolvent. In accounting terms its a failure by all and any measure.
Being 5th (or 9th) best means nothing when the reality is that its only just a little bit less pish poor than the 6th or 10th.
And that's before we (the UK) are going it alone. the UK pays a NET £8.5bn to Europe a year. Saving that is only going to make the losses a little bit less. Its not going to be some miracle cure (despite what Jeff seems to believe)
The extreme Irony here is that many who are saying an independent Scotland won't survive seem to think that an independent UK somehow will?
We should never forget that most politcians are wholly unqualified for the posts they hold. They are in no way experts of what they are promoting.
Last edited by Devildog; 17 March 2017 at 01:15 PM.
17 March 2017, 01:15 PM
#1995
And that's before we (the UK) are going it alone. the UK pays a NET £8.5bn to Europe a year. Saving that is only going to make the losses a little but less. Its not going to be some miracle cure (despite what Jeff seems to believe)
It's a start, but is way down the list as to why I voted out.
17 March 2017, 01:22 PM
#1996
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Deary deary me, here we go again, the Remoaners' old lady chorus.
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
Net cost per annum of being in Europe - £8.5bn (we don't physically send them £350m per week)
Weeks in year - 52
Net cost per week - £163 million (oh, look - its not £350m)
UK "losses" 12 months to March 2017 - £48bn
Take out net contribution to Europe, the UK "lost" £39.5bn in that 12 month period - with all the trade deals in place.
So tell me Jeff, how does not being part of europe "fix" that?
Last edited by Devildog; 17 March 2017 at 01:24 PM.
17 March 2017, 01:33 PM
#1997
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Deary deary me, here we go again, the Remoaners' old lady chorus.
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
You all sound like the old dears sat under the driers in the local salon.
"Ooooh, isn't it awful?" etc etc ad infinitum.
I'm out of this one too. Waste of time arguing as you lot just try and spout doom.
Hint: we're going, and it's NOT doom and gloom. Get over it.
There's the image for you. It doesn't say WE WILL, it say's "let's"
Which means, "why don't we?" Not, "we promise to.."
NOW: YOU defend the lies your side told, you know, the blatant ones that predicted gloom, instant budgets, companies moving abroad, £4300 pa costs, WW3 etc etc.
And while you're at it, please tell me what you remoaners have actually DONE with the £350 million a week we REALLY DO send them? Because if we listen to you lot, it's ALL GONE!!!
17 March 2017, 01:42 PM
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John - the UK as a whole benefits from the oil revenues. So when revenues fall, the UK as a whole suffers.
From government figures GDP per person excluding oil revenues are almost the same in England and Scotland. Including oil revenues (even now) GDP per person is higher in Scotland.
There is no "propping up" of Scotland, serious or otherwise as the bulk of the oil revenues (depleted as as they are) go to the UK as a whole, not Scotland.
Thats why evertime someone quotes the barnet formula I just have to shake my head at the ignorance of the whole thing.
UK Plc is, frankly, screwed and has been for years. Agreed, as a percentage of GDP, Scotlands deficit to March 17 in terms of public spending vs tax revenues is worse than the UK as a whole, but at £15bn its significantly less than the UK's deficit of £67.6bn and the £48bn increase in net debt incurred by the UK in that year.
The UK might be the 5th (or 9th) largest economy - depending on interpretation
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-worl...rgest-economy/
But it still runs at a loss and is balance sheet insolvent. In accounting terms its a failure by all and any measure.
Being 5th (or 9th) best means nothing when the reality is that its only just a little bit less pish poor than the 6th or 10th.
And that's before we (the UK) are going it alone. the UK pays a NET £8.5bn to Europe a year. Saving that is only going to make the losses a little bit less. Its not going to be some miracle cure (despite what Jeff seems to believe)
The extreme Irony here is that many who are saying an independent Scotland won't survive seem to think that an independent UK somehow will?
We should never forget that most politcians are wholly unqualified for the posts they hold. They are in no way experts of what they are promoting.
From government figures GDP per person excluding oil revenues are almost the same in England and Scotland. Including oil revenues (even now) GDP per person is higher in Scotland.
There is no "propping up" of Scotland, serious or otherwise as the bulk of the oil revenues (depleted as as they are) go to the UK as a whole, not Scotland.
Thats why evertime someone quotes the barnet formula I just have to shake my head at the ignorance of the whole thing.
UK Plc is, frankly, screwed and has been for years. Agreed, as a percentage of GDP, Scotlands deficit to March 17 in terms of public spending vs tax revenues is worse than the UK as a whole, but at £15bn its significantly less than the UK's deficit of £67.6bn and the £48bn increase in net debt incurred by the UK in that year.
The UK might be the 5th (or 9th) largest economy - depending on interpretation
https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-worl...rgest-economy/
But it still runs at a loss and is balance sheet insolvent. In accounting terms its a failure by all and any measure.
Being 5th (or 9th) best means nothing when the reality is that its only just a little bit less pish poor than the 6th or 10th.
And that's before we (the UK) are going it alone. the UK pays a NET £8.5bn to Europe a year. Saving that is only going to make the losses a little bit less. Its not going to be some miracle cure (despite what Jeff seems to believe)
The extreme Irony here is that many who are saying an independent Scotland won't survive seem to think that an independent UK somehow will?
We should never forget that most politcians are wholly unqualified for the posts they hold. They are in no way experts of what they are promoting.
17 March 2017, 02:15 PM
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Perhaps one day you may realise that not everyone who works for a "bank" is responsible for what happened. They do, you know, have many different disceplines, the vast majority of which were not responsible for, and indeed could not influence the pish poor decisions of some.
Its pretty clear you have no idea what role a bank's chief economist plays.
There is not a big enough facepalm smiley I could add here
Its pretty clear you have no idea what role a bank's chief economist plays.
There is not a big enough facepalm smiley I could add here
Unless his job title isn't actually what his job is?
17 March 2017, 02:17 PM
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- Pound skids below $1.26 after Bank of England rate decision and inflation report
- UK construction PMI hits five-month low in January
- Carney: Consumers will start to be tested as 2017 progresses
- Carney: Upgraded growth forecast doesn't mean Brexit has no consequences
I've deliberately chosen as right-wing a mainstream publication as I can here, to avoid all possible accusation of picking a Remain-biased source.
17 March 2017, 02:24 PM
#2001
None of that is prediction, it's what's actually happening right now.
17 March 2017, 02:24 PM
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How about you learn to read, or be a little more choosey about what you read?
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...glandprepares/
I've deliberately chosen as right-wing a mainstream publication as I can here, to avoid all possible accusation of picking a Remain-biased source.
Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...glandprepares/
I've deliberately chosen as right-wing a mainstream publication as I can here, to avoid all possible accusation of picking a Remain-biased source.
Right now we are in a situation where the financial system leads what happens, they play best guess and they keep guessing wrong.
17 March 2017, 02:27 PM
#2003
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You don't need an economist to tell you the pound is falling rapidly down the toilet, and major businesses left right and centre are either pulling out of investments in the UK, or being bought up on the cheap by foreign competitors, or only deciding to stay in the UK on the back of secret sweetened deals they've made with the government in smokey back rooms.
None of that is prediction, it's what's actually happening right now.
None of that is prediction, it's what's actually happening right now.
Right now the biggest issue we have is the weak pound, driven by the pessimistic financial institution. Look what happened in 2008, they were to optimistic and things went **** up. Same has happened through history, go look up the history of railways.
When a company loosing millions and has never made a profit is valued in the billions then you know the system is broken.
17 March 2017, 02:45 PM
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However I would tend to think that Scottish personal pensions (or whatever a nascent Scottish government wants to call them) would only apply to people newly entering work or taking up their entitlements? It's just way too complex otherwise to 'force' some sort of asset transfer on people.
17 March 2017, 10:35 PM
#2005
go back and they were saying that would happen straight away after the vote, it didn't. Actual results prove the predicted downturn was no where near as bad as it was predicted.
Right now we are in a situation where the financial system leads what happens, they play best guess and they keep guessing wrong.
Right now we are in a situation where the financial system leads what happens, they play best guess and they keep guessing wrong.
The stock market/financial system is played out by people guessing what will happen.
Right now the biggest issue we have is the weak pound, driven by the pessimistic financial institution. Look what happened in 2008, they were to optimistic and things went **** up. Same has happened through history, go look up the history of railways.
When a company loosing millions and has never made a profit is valued in the billions then you know the system is broken.
Right now the biggest issue we have is the weak pound, driven by the pessimistic financial institution. Look what happened in 2008, they were to optimistic and things went **** up. Same has happened through history, go look up the history of railways.
When a company loosing millions and has never made a profit is valued in the billions then you know the system is broken.
Or to sum it up even more succinctly, you've got nothing better to offer here than blatant unashamed deflection, and denial of the facts staring you in the face. Nice.
17 March 2017, 11:49 PM
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So in other words, even if the economy does go (even more) massively t!tsup after actual Brexit than it already has in the period from the vote up until Article 50, it won't really be the fault of Brexit, it will all be down to those dastardadly manipulators in their glass and steel offices in the wider world's financial districts.
Or to sum it up even more succinctly, you've got nothing better to offer here than blatant unashamed deflection, and denial of the facts staring you in the face. Nice.
Or to sum it up even more succinctly, you've got nothing better to offer here than blatant unashamed deflection, and denial of the facts staring you in the face. Nice.
if you look at the right wing blogs - all, you get is " the economic pain is worth it"
they are getting thier excuses in early
WTO rules / tariffs - please!!!!, people who spout this **** no nothing of modern international trade
Tariffs in international trade are generally low - not much to lose or gain really (except our car industry - which we will lose - Toyota and Nissan have both said it Tariffs mean an exit from the UK, - but that's the easy bit!!!)
and if you think the recent Toyota announcement some how makes things better
answer 4 questions
1. how much UK tax payer money did Toyota receive
2. what % of Toyota's world wide investment does this actually represents
3. what are actually Toyota doing with the money
4. who will Toyota be buying this new machinery from (clue Germany)
Brexit idiots trumpet WTO, without realising we trade on WTO's "rules" under "schedules" negotiated as part of the EU
when we leave - we lose ALL the negotiated schedules
I quote from a Brexit website (a pro brexit website!!!!!)
http://www.eureferendum.com/document...nograph002.pdf
"Altogether, the EU has 880 bilateral agreements with its trading partners, and there is no example of a developed nation trading with the EU solely by reference to WTO rules.
For the UK to trade with the EU relying on the WTO Option would be unique for a developed nation, creating an unprecedented situation. There is nothing with which a comparison could be made."
we would leave with nothing - nothing
the real deal is in "non tariff barriers to trade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ta...riers_to_trade
exemplified by Professor Dougan (really short punchy video - don't be shy!!)
we will get the deal the EU wants to give us - they hold ALL the cards !!!
so if we leave without a deal - on exit day + 1 our airlines will not be able to land in any EU airport
not out of EU spite - but simply a matter of international law
the legal fact that our landing slots are as a result of our membership of the EU
our ability to haulage traffic in the EU will be limited because we will no longer be part of the TIR
(TIR is basically a system under which international trucking operations are carried out using Carnets (vouchers), issued by authorised national organisations, authorising the holder to bypass customs checks between a shipment's origin and destination. It is not used within the EU as membership of the EU doesn't require these customs checks)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIR_Convention
it is a legal nightmare - and the EU negotiators understand all this - even if our pig **** thick politicians don't
(it is so laughable that we think the EU negotiators are as thick as our politicians)
David Davis has not modelled our economic position as a result of a "no deal" because the stark reality is that it is too catastrophic to contemplate
we will get a deal -a **** deal - the brexiteers will polish that turd like it is going out of fashion
and the pig **** thick brexiteer population will lap it up
but IT will unravel
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18 March 2017, 08:38 AM
#2008
the direction of travel is clear
if you look at the right wing blogs - all, you get is " the economic pain is worth it"
they are getting thier excuses in early
WTO rules / tariffs - please!!!!, people who spout this **** no nothing of modern international trade
Tariffs in international trade are generally low - not much to lose or gain really (except our car industry - which we will lose - Toyota and Nissan have both said it Tariffs mean an exit from the UK, - but that's the easy bit!!!)
and if you think the recent Toyota announcement some how makes things better
answer 4 questions
1. how much UK tax payer money did Toyota receive
2. what % of Toyota's world wide investment does this actually represents
3. what are actually Toyota doing with the money
4. who will Toyota be buying this new machinery from (clue Germany)
Brexit idiots trumpet WTO, without realising we trade on WTO's "rules" under "schedules" negotiated as part of the EU
when we leave - we lose ALL the negotiated schedules
I quote from a Brexit website (a pro brexit website!!!!!)
http://www.eureferendum.com/document...nograph002.pdf
"Altogether, the EU has 880 bilateral agreements with its trading partners, and there is no example of a developed nation trading with the EU solely by reference to WTO rules.
For the UK to trade with the EU relying on the WTO Option would be unique for a developed nation, creating an unprecedented situation. There is nothing with which a comparison could be made."
we would leave with nothing - nothing
the real deal is in "non tariff barriers to trade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ta...riers_to_trade
exemplified by Professor Dougan (really short punchy video - don't be shy!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6F0inyJPDc&t=108s
we will get the deal the EU wants to give us - they hold ALL the cards !!!
so if we leave without a deal - on exit day + 1 our airlines will not be able to land in any EU airport
not out of EU spite - but simply a matter of international law
the legal fact that our landing slots are as a result of our membership of the EU
our ability to haulage traffic in the EU will be limited because we will no longer be part of the TIR
(TIR is basically a system under which international trucking operations are carried out using Carnets (vouchers), issued by authorised national organisations, authorising the holder to bypass customs checks between a shipment's origin and destination. It is not used within the EU as membership of the EU doesn't require these customs checks)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIR_Convention
it is a legal nightmare - and the EU negotiators understand all this - even if our pig **** thick politicians don't
(it is so laughable that we think the EU negotiators are as thick as our politicians)
David Davis has not modelled our economic position as a result of a "no deal" because the stark reality is that it is too catastrophic to contemplate
we will get a deal -a **** deal - the brexiteers will polish that turd like it is going out of fashion
and the pig **** thick brexiteer population will lap it up
but IT will unravel
if you look at the right wing blogs - all, you get is " the economic pain is worth it"
they are getting thier excuses in early
WTO rules / tariffs - please!!!!, people who spout this **** no nothing of modern international trade
Tariffs in international trade are generally low - not much to lose or gain really (except our car industry - which we will lose - Toyota and Nissan have both said it Tariffs mean an exit from the UK, - but that's the easy bit!!!)
and if you think the recent Toyota announcement some how makes things better
answer 4 questions
1. how much UK tax payer money did Toyota receive
2. what % of Toyota's world wide investment does this actually represents
3. what are actually Toyota doing with the money
4. who will Toyota be buying this new machinery from (clue Germany)
Brexit idiots trumpet WTO, without realising we trade on WTO's "rules" under "schedules" negotiated as part of the EU
when we leave - we lose ALL the negotiated schedules
I quote from a Brexit website (a pro brexit website!!!!!)
http://www.eureferendum.com/document...nograph002.pdf
"Altogether, the EU has 880 bilateral agreements with its trading partners, and there is no example of a developed nation trading with the EU solely by reference to WTO rules.
For the UK to trade with the EU relying on the WTO Option would be unique for a developed nation, creating an unprecedented situation. There is nothing with which a comparison could be made."
we would leave with nothing - nothing
the real deal is in "non tariff barriers to trade"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ta...riers_to_trade
exemplified by Professor Dougan (really short punchy video - don't be shy!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6F0inyJPDc&t=108s
we will get the deal the EU wants to give us - they hold ALL the cards !!!
so if we leave without a deal - on exit day + 1 our airlines will not be able to land in any EU airport
not out of EU spite - but simply a matter of international law
the legal fact that our landing slots are as a result of our membership of the EU
our ability to haulage traffic in the EU will be limited because we will no longer be part of the TIR
(TIR is basically a system under which international trucking operations are carried out using Carnets (vouchers), issued by authorised national organisations, authorising the holder to bypass customs checks between a shipment's origin and destination. It is not used within the EU as membership of the EU doesn't require these customs checks)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TIR_Convention
it is a legal nightmare - and the EU negotiators understand all this - even if our pig **** thick politicians don't
(it is so laughable that we think the EU negotiators are as thick as our politicians)
David Davis has not modelled our economic position as a result of a "no deal" because the stark reality is that it is too catastrophic to contemplate
we will get a deal -a **** deal - the brexiteers will polish that turd like it is going out of fashion
and the pig **** thick brexiteer population will lap it up
but IT will unravel
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