Scottish Independence
19 September 2014, 06:12 AM
#1681
Looks like far too many people believed all the lies coming from Westminster.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
19 September 2014, 06:33 AM
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Looks like far too many people believed all the lies coming from Westminster.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
Too many people scared of change and just want to continue being Cameron's bitch.
Scotland should be renamed Scotlandshire.
We had a chance and blew it. I'm almost ashamed to be called Scottish now.
19 September 2014, 06:42 AM
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No matter the outcome england will never be the same, all the promises made have yet to be delivered, other parts of the uk will be now demanding stuff as well going to be a hectic few years I'd think.
19 September 2014, 07:09 AM
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Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
19 September 2014, 07:29 AM
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The result is the result, it stands. The 'Yes' nationalist were selling a Utopia dream without giving any answers to substantial issues.
The Unionist 'No' were obviously but rightly questioning the unknown consequences of such a separation.
Now we have those who think they were stitched up and have an unfounded irrational dislike even'hatred' whipped up by the nationalist campaign. Just look at the intimidation with attacks on the no voters and their properties. Very sad .
I agree long live the union and good riddance to Salmond
The Unionist 'No' were obviously but rightly questioning the unknown consequences of such a separation.
Now we have those who think they were stitched up and have an unfounded irrational dislike even'hatred' whipped up by the nationalist campaign. Just look at the intimidation with attacks on the no voters and their properties. Very sad .
I agree long live the union and good riddance to Salmond
19 September 2014, 08:05 AM
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Oh dear me. Some rather upset people in here today LOL.
It's no lie that a change as big As this will have negative effects on both economies for at least a couple years. Add the fact that the Yes campaign's action plan lacks specific details on important issues just added the doubt to anyone who was sceptical. Not to forget that only an idiot will believe a poltitian's own hype (regardless of which side they are on).
Common sense IMO, is it worth the risk? Half the country didn't think so. Good for them.
Unfortunely England Is still lumbered with Scottish mps making decision on English issues, a gripe, but a minor one; The bulk problem is west minster politics in general not satisfing the country as a whole.
It's no lie that a change as big As this will have negative effects on both economies for at least a couple years. Add the fact that the Yes campaign's action plan lacks specific details on important issues just added the doubt to anyone who was sceptical. Not to forget that only an idiot will believe a poltitian's own hype (regardless of which side they are on).
Common sense IMO, is it worth the risk? Half the country didn't think so. Good for them.
Unfortunely England Is still lumbered with Scottish mps making decision on English issues, a gripe, but a minor one; The bulk problem is west minster politics in general not satisfing the country as a whole.
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19 September 2014, 08:05 AM
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LOL yup we lost pure and simple
Now to see what extra powers we get from westmonster
as it turns out even with a no vote
we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO
Now to see what extra powers we get from westmonster
as it turns out even with a no vote
we get to have your cake and eat it too LMFAO
19 September 2014, 08:09 AM
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^^^ This.
Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.
No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government
1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.
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Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.
No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government
1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.
<Flame Suit on>
19 September 2014, 08:15 AM
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i wonder, should those that campaigned so hard for independance be made trators? Niz is a prime example,,,,,,,,,, hahahaha
only joking.
TBH i couldn't believe when some of the celeb clowns got involved, andy murray said he voted yes because he felt the no campaign was to negative, FFS, vote on the hard facts, not on a political pissing contest.
only joking.
TBH i couldn't believe when some of the celeb clowns got involved, andy murray said he voted yes because he felt the no campaign was to negative, FFS, vote on the hard facts, not on a political pissing contest.
19 September 2014, 08:19 AM
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19 September 2014, 08:21 AM
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Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
It didn't go the way you hoped so it MUST have been rigged! At least be gracious when snatching defeat from the jaws of victory! 
19 September 2014, 08:21 AM
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^^^ This.
Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.
No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government
1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.
<Flame Suit on>
Bottom line, it's a class thing. It's no shock that the biggest ****holes in Scotland (Glasgow, Dundee) vote Yes while the nicest areas vote No.
No free meal ticket for the scumbo's (not that there actually would have been under Independence) here. If you want a better life make it happen for yourself as opposed to blaming everyone else and the Government
1. Give up the cigarettes and drugs. They are bad for your health and they cost you a fortune.
2. Give up excessive boozing. Limit yourself to a few nights out a month.
3. Don't go on foreign holidays if you can't afford it - holidays are a luxury, not an entitlement.
4. You don't need a £1,000 60" TV, Xbox One or the latest iphone 6. Live within your means.
5. Eat better for better health. McDonalds and Pizza's are and expensive and a bad way to eat.
6. Develop new skills. Pretty much everyone has the internet, there is no excuse not to develop yourself to ensure your are more employable and attractive to businesses and organisations.
7. Realise it's hard work and difficult. Behind pretty much every millionaire that you hate is (usually) someone that worked their **** off making the sacrifices that you are unwilling to make.
8. Finally, appreciate what you have and what the UK Government has given you. For all the jobless layabouts that make zero effort in life; you'd have starved to death and died in almost any other country in the world by now.
<Flame Suit on>
^^^^ Spot on.
19 September 2014, 08:23 AM
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A sad day for Scotland I feel, I think fear of the unknown was probably all that did for them in the end as it would seem Westminster's best efforts to scaremonger them worked.
The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.
All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.
As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.
All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.
As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
19 September 2014, 08:23 AM
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19 September 2014, 08:27 AM
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Or too many people that were influenced with the lies coming from Westminster. Westminster had far too much to lose. They had to win at all costs.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
They told banks and pension companies to tell us our money isn't safe. The told the Supermarkets to tell us that prices would go up. They said our oil will run out. They influenced the media, especially the BBC.
Some of what the government did in this campaign was definitely underhand, possibly even illegal.
Why did they make us mark the ballot paper with a pencil and not a pen?
I think it was rigged.
If they did tell the Supermarkets that your prices would go up - have you proof that wouldn't be the case?
Are you telling me your oil won't run out?
Unless you or anyone can put real context to any of the above (informed risk and impact analysis), what is your point? The fact is that the yes campaign couldn't factually state either way, as much as the no campaign couldn't. However, these are some of the key points that had no answer and were/are very important.
By in large the Scottish public have stated they are risk adverse I suspect. Based as to what's on the table, I can't blame them. This is very serious stuff.
Would you suggest it was rigged if you had won by the same majority? The referendum was given, the vote has been cast, the results are in.
Your extreme concern now should be focussed on your country now being potentially split. Infighting now within your own country could be your biggest issue for years to come. Things I suspect, will change forever.... in many ways - you ready for the ride?
I'm not sure people are aware of the Pandora's box opening.
19 September 2014, 08:52 AM
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A sad day for Scotland I feel, I think fear of the unknown was probably all that did for them in the end as it would seem Westminster's best efforts to scaremonger them worked.
The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.
All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.
As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
The saddest thing about this was the No campaign's failure to fight the campaign on a positive note and promote the benefits of Scotland staying instead preferring to a campaign of threats and scaremongering that turned into one almost of intimidation at times.
All I hope now is that the Scots make sure they get their extra powers that were promised as Cameron has a habit of finding a way of never delivering on anything he promises.
As for certain English posters on here I assume the unnecessary vitriol displayed over the last few weeks on these threads will now be replaced by gloating.... you do yourselves no favours frankly!
The Scottish people aren't as weak minded to believe in what Westminster said, most Scots don't trust them. How about the Scottish people stood up for what they believed in and voted for what they felt was right for them and right for their country. Because you know what, that just might be true.
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19 September 2014, 09:03 AM
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I hope there's some devolved power, as promised
Think it was slightly bizarre idea to be a totally different country
( but there's always next time I suppose )
Think it was slightly bizarre idea to be a totally different country
( but there's always next time I suppose )
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19 September 2014, 09:10 AM
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Well I have to say Alex Salmond impressed me earlier, he took the defeat in a really dignified manner and from what I saw of his speech he said some really sensible things.