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25 June 2016, 05:10 PM
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So £350 million gross, takeaway rebate(variable, decided, controlled by EU and returned the following year)=Net figure.
That still allows UK to spend £350 million on priorities that the UK decides to spend it on, with no interference from the EU and without waiting for a proportion to come next year
That still allows UK to spend £350 million on priorities that the UK decides to spend it on, with no interference from the EU and without waiting for a proportion to come next year
I'm looking forward to the next PM having to explain why he/she hasn't boosted spending by £350m a week.
Then maybe, just maybe the penny will drop
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25 June 2016, 05:13 PM
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Ah, point taken.
The only trouble is, how on earth can a turnout percentage be guaranteed? If we follow his premise, we'd have to keep having referendums (referenda...?) until the turnout was over 75%.
I was happy yesterday, I'm even happier today.
The only trouble is, how on earth can a turnout percentage be guaranteed? If we follow his premise, we'd have to keep having referendums (referenda...?) until the turnout was over 75%.
I was happy yesterday, I'm even happier today.
25 June 2016, 05:23 PM
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We should have got the EU to say our contribution was 10 trillion
And we got a rebate of 99 thousand million - so plus our actual net contribution back
We have our 10 trillion back
It really is fantasy stuff
25 June 2016, 05:24 PM
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I have just watched a bbc discussion in which the presenter said the stocks and pounds crashed and backed up by Bloomberg representative. The other guest instantly said, the ftse finished higher than the start of the week-true, and the pound was nearly the same value back in Feb and has been in decline since 2014- true
All news outlets just hype up this ****.
There was a guy from Germany who said it was a great opportunity for the UK to flourish
All news outlets just hype up this ****.
There was a guy from Germany who said it was a great opportunity for the UK to flourish
Shhhh, you'll break the Hysteria man. Haven't you heard? We're Doomed !!
25 June 2016, 05:26 PM
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Heavy funding does not progress science.
The crackpot and lunatics laughed at by the scientific communities to later revolutionise are the same types of people to be denied funding by the EU.
It's all about marketing...make a politician believe you can invent something and they'll give you millions, maybe billions. Thus the EU panders to the salesman and fraudster rather than the true genius.
If something is created requiring worthwhile investment, it can achieve its funding on its own merit.
The crackpot and lunatics laughed at by the scientific communities to later revolutionise are the same types of people to be denied funding by the EU.
It's all about marketing...make a politician believe you can invent something and they'll give you millions, maybe billions. Thus the EU panders to the salesman and fraudster rather than the true genius.
If something is created requiring worthwhile investment, it can achieve its funding on its own merit.
25 June 2016, 05:31 PM
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Not in the short term no. So we aren't any better off than we were before....
2 years of financial uncertainty.
That 350m will be used to pay for the very highly paid solicitors and lawyers etc to untangle this mess the leave camp have thrust upon us.
And to pay for all the changes that will come with this, more border and passport staff as more people will need one now.
Lawyers, judges, ministers for sorting this mess out.
Changing our laws to suit.
Sending all those pesky immigrants home...
There is a lot that has not even been mentioned that will need paying for.
Deharmonising our electrical and gas regulations.
Increased costs of importing our gas and electricity due to the falling value of the pound.
If you think we have actually saved any money in the short or medium term then you are deluded. Sorting this mess out is going to cost far more than we put in to the Eu.
2 years of financial uncertainty.
That 350m will be used to pay for the very highly paid solicitors and lawyers etc to untangle this mess the leave camp have thrust upon us.
And to pay for all the changes that will come with this, more border and passport staff as more people will need one now.
Lawyers, judges, ministers for sorting this mess out.
Changing our laws to suit.
Sending all those pesky immigrants home...
There is a lot that has not even been mentioned that will need paying for.
Deharmonising our electrical and gas regulations.
Increased costs of importing our gas and electricity due to the falling value of the pound.
If you think we have actually saved any money in the short or medium term then you are deluded. Sorting this mess out is going to cost far more than we put in to the Eu.
25 June 2016, 06:18 PM
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25 June 2016, 06:41 PM
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25 June 2016, 07:04 PM
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25 June 2016, 07:25 PM
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I've been doing a few basic figures - sans calculator, so they are rough figures...
2015 had 30.69million voters. We need over 15.345 million to go either way.
UKIP in 2015 got 3.88 million, so I can be fairly confident in stating that the exit camp will get at least that number of votes.
Which leaves 11.465 million more votes required to leave. Thats alot. Considering Labour and Conservative get about 20.6 million votes between them. Both are pro-EU parties, so even if half of Lab and Cons voters voted exit that still leaves teh exit camp 1.16 million votes short of winning.
The only spanner in the works is expected turn out should be alot higher, 2015 was 66%, I think its fair to says it going to be at least 10% more this year....but what side the previous non-voters are on is going to be the biggest decider.
I'm off the the bookies now
2015 had 30.69million voters. We need over 15.345 million to go either way.
UKIP in 2015 got 3.88 million, so I can be fairly confident in stating that the exit camp will get at least that number of votes.
Which leaves 11.465 million more votes required to leave. Thats alot. Considering Labour and Conservative get about 20.6 million votes between them. Both are pro-EU parties, so even if half of Lab and Cons voters voted exit that still leaves teh exit camp 1.16 million votes short of winning.
The only spanner in the works is expected turn out should be alot higher, 2015 was 66%, I think its fair to says it going to be at least 10% more this year....but what side the previous non-voters are on is going to be the biggest decider.
I'm off the the bookies now
Turns out it was 1.27million (1,269,501 to be exact ) votes the other way (5.7%)...still, my prediction was better than alot of the pundits
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25 June 2016, 07:28 PM
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Really weird, but the result of the ScoobyNet poll seems to still be changing!
It's a bit late folks (in spite of the 2 million + deluded idiots who think their petition is going to get them another referendum....)
I love Justine Greening though. She's now Out, even though she voted In! Good for her.
It's a bit late folks (in spite of the 2 million + deluded idiots who think their petition is going to get them another referendum....)
I love Justine Greening though. She's now Out, even though she voted In! Good for her.
25 June 2016, 07:45 PM
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Really weird, but the result of the ScoobyNet poll seems to still be changing!
It's a bit late folks (in spite of the 2 million + deluded idiots who think their petition is going to get them another referendum....)
I love Justine Greening though. She's now Out, even though she voted In! Good for her.
It's a bit late folks (in spite of the 2 million + deluded idiots who think their petition is going to get them another referendum....)
I love Justine Greening though. She's now Out, even though she voted In! Good for her.
25 June 2016, 07:49 PM
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25 June 2016, 07:55 PM
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25 June 2016, 11:51 PM
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Lol, that is the same response you get from anyone who cant face simple facts
If you disagree, get the data, it will be available and do the fvcking math
but somehow I suspect you won't
Its the same with science denier like warren, show these lunatics graphs of temperature rises
(the earths temp record has been literally smashed month on month in the past year)
show them graphs of sea level rises, show them graphs of a reduction in arctic sea ice, show them the data on rapidly disappearing glaciers)
And you get the same moronic response
"I don't believe you la la la "
If you doubt the data - do you own research and rebut what has been presented - THAT is how science/research is done
Not the fantasy lone Jekyll and Hyde way you seem to think - some lone maverick genius with a table full of smoking bubbling glass jars - jeez wtf
Get the data, do the math or stfu
Fvck me this is madness
If you disagree, get the data, it will be available and do the fvcking math
but somehow I suspect you won't
Its the same with science denier like warren, show these lunatics graphs of temperature rises
(the earths temp record has been literally smashed month on month in the past year)
show them graphs of sea level rises, show them graphs of a reduction in arctic sea ice, show them the data on rapidly disappearing glaciers)
And you get the same moronic response
"I don't believe you la la la "
If you doubt the data - do you own research and rebut what has been presented - THAT is how science/research is done
Not the fantasy lone Jekyll and Hyde way you seem to think - some lone maverick genius with a table full of smoking bubbling glass jars - jeez wtf
Get the data, do the math or stfu
Fvck me this is madness
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26 June 2016, 12:28 AM
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26 June 2016, 12:36 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...vale?CMP=fb_gu