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08 May 2002, 01:15 PM
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Prefer Fruit Salads myself 
But seriously, try Here on special offer
£176.25 Including VAT.
[Edited to say - Including installation though]
[Edited by DJ Dunk - 5/8/2002 1:20:38 PM]
But seriously, try Here on special offer
£176.25 Including VAT.
[Edited to say - Including installation though]
[Edited by DJ Dunk - 5/8/2002 1:20:38 PM]
08 May 2002, 03:43 PM
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I think I have found a company that will supply the concept 600 without fitting ! If anybody is interested their web address is
http://www.maes.ltd.uk/Thatcham_Category_One_Alarms.php
Sorry don't know how to make that appear as a link .... Total price inc vat and postage = £445 i think - no that does seem cheap to me
What do you all think ????
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http://www.maes.ltd.uk/Thatcham_Category_One_Alarms.php
Sorry don't know how to make that appear as a link .... Total price inc vat and postage = £445 i think - no that does seem cheap to me
What do you all think ????
Nick
08 May 2002, 04:53 PM
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Put <url> and </url> around it... (replacing the < and > with [ and ] ).
www.maes.ltd.uk/Thatcham_Category_One_Alarms.php
Matt]
[Edited by mutant_matt - 5/8/2002 4:54:21 PM]
www.maes.ltd.uk/Thatcham_Category_One_Alarms.php
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][Edited by mutant_matt - 5/8/2002 4:54:21 PM]
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09 May 2002, 07:55 AM
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Presumably, if you tell the Insurance company you've got a Clifford fitted, they will want to see the Certificate of Installation from an Approved fitter.
If the Certificate cannot be supplied or it can but the fitter stated on it is not approved then in the event of a claim (for theft), they probably won't pay out.....
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If the Certificate cannot be supplied or it can but the fitter stated on it is not approved then in the event of a claim (for theft), they probably won't pay out.....
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09 May 2002, 11:02 AM
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Is it not right that - if say i purchased a car that had a clifford unit in it, but it came with out a certificate - or it was lost etc, you can go to a registered installer and ask them to check it (for a fee obviously) and they can then write a new cert??? at a fraction on the cost???
09 May 2002, 01:14 PM
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Why the hell do you want to install one yourself?!
It takes people who do it day in/day out many hours to install and setup a Concept 600.
A badly installed Clifford is a total nightmare. The most important thing on any alarm is the installation.
Feel free to have a go, but personally I don't think its worth the risk.
It takes people who do it day in/day out many hours to install and setup a Concept 600.
A badly installed Clifford is a total nightmare. The most important thing on any alarm is the installation.
Feel free to have a go, but personally I don't think its worth the risk.
09 May 2002, 02:36 PM
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I have fitted quite a few Cat1 systems in the past, but not a Clifford - never had a problem with my installs - all joints soldered and hidden into the wiring loom of the car....
The worse install i had to do was on a porsche - no space to put anything !
Nick
The worse install i had to do was on a porsche - no space to put anything !
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12 May 2002, 09:59 PM
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As I understand it, the Cliffords all come without any installation instructions at all. That's why the dealers have to go on an installers course.
Definitely the most important part of a Clifford system is the installation.
Definitely the most important part of a Clifford system is the installation.
12 May 2002, 10:19 PM
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I have a copy of the instructions..... seems relatively simple in terms of Cat1 installations. I reckon I could do just as good a job as trained installation - but the waranty would not apply - I am enquiring to Clifford what has to be done to become an approved installer.... I await their response...
13 May 2002, 12:49 AM
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Yes, very interesting.
Same old story, you can do a better job yourself many times over than the pros, but at the end of the day if you aint qualified then thats it as far as the insurance company is concerned.
I actually went to the main clifford installer in the Leeds area a few years back to have a imobiliser fitted.Now i already had an imobiliser fitted that i had installed myself.No can do, he had to remove that and have only one fitted, his.
Now mine, i had taken the drivers seat out, and put the box under the carpet and then seat back in, i had cut upto two metres of the orignal wiring out, and soldered my connections into place, as far apart as was possible, with the joints in obscure places thats where hard to get to.
His box was put under the dash, and all the joints made directly next to it.Go figure!??
Still theres always the case where the guy in street hasnt got a clue and thats the people who the insurance companies are avoiding.
Rich.
Same old story, you can do a better job yourself many times over than the pros, but at the end of the day if you aint qualified then thats it as far as the insurance company is concerned.
I actually went to the main clifford installer in the Leeds area a few years back to have a imobiliser fitted.Now i already had an imobiliser fitted that i had installed myself.No can do, he had to remove that and have only one fitted, his.
Now mine, i had taken the drivers seat out, and put the box under the carpet and then seat back in, i had cut upto two metres of the orignal wiring out, and soldered my connections into place, as far apart as was possible, with the joints in obscure places thats where hard to get to.
His box was put under the dash, and all the joints made directly next to it.Go figure!??
Still theres always the case where the guy in street hasnt got a clue and thats the people who the insurance companies are avoiding.
Rich.
13 May 2002, 12:04 PM
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Nick - would like to hear what Clifford say - Am considering the same sort of thing. (Have a degree in electronics, I should be able to install car alarms!!)
Is it the alarm company that you need, or is there an insurance body that regulates the fitting- and therefore issues the certificates? (like Thatcham or the ABI)
[Edited by dnb - 5/29/2002 10:00:37 PM]
Is it the alarm company that you need, or is there an insurance body that regulates the fitting- and therefore issues the certificates? (like Thatcham or the ABI)
[Edited by dnb - 5/29/2002 10:00:37 PM]
13 May 2002, 01:58 PM
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dnb,
haven't heard from them but I believe the alram gets aproved by Thatcham to gain its rating of Cat1 etc.. then its down to Clifford to aprove its installers - i presume a course, but then who knows - I will let you know when I have heard...
Its a piece of cake when you have done a few - cable joints and positioning is the key....
Nick
haven't heard from them but I believe the alram gets aproved by Thatcham to gain its rating of Cat1 etc.. then its down to Clifford to aprove its installers - i presume a course, but then who knows - I will let you know when I have heard...
Its a piece of cake when you have done a few - cable joints and positioning is the key....
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13 May 2002, 10:46 PM
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Thanks Nick!
Do you know anything about VSIB? Someone at work thought they may have something to do with the car alarm certification business. However they could simply represent a voluntary code of practice.
Do you know anything about VSIB? Someone at work thought they may have something to do with the car alarm certification business. However they could simply represent a voluntary code of practice.
29 May 2002, 09:54 PM
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wasn't difficult to find... There were links to it on the Clifford site!!
Edited - to say I have edited my previous post - security is a big issue these days!
[Edited by dnb - 5/29/2002 10:00:16 PM]
Edited - to say I have edited my previous post - security is a big issue these days!
[Edited by dnb - 5/29/2002 10:00:16 PM]
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