G_Sleigh_STi

I always put the full clifford security pack on my cars including tilt sensors, proxi sensors, air sensors, pager system, intelestart etc...etc...

Now the man who does them for me says he never fitted the intelstart to a impreza and doesnt know if its possible without to much work.

Anyone else got the intelstart system? And was it easy to fit?

**Those who dont know its a automatic engine start from remote key fob. So you can star the car from 50meters away (doors still locked) and get her warmed up for when you go to drive her.

You can also turn her off or set her turn on and off if battery levels drop to low or if the temp inside the car goes below a certain level. HOWEVER the steering wheel is always locked, the car is locked and shes still undriveable for security reasons**

Its a bloody great feature in winter when you look out the window and you see everyone de-icing there cars, you just start her up from your living room to let her de-ice while you have breakfast and then go out and go to worK! LOL

Sticky Stuff

Got it on the Wife's STi8, and had it on a classic before that. No problems with either.

Knowing how tetchy Cliffords can be if they're not fitted correctly I'd be looking for somewhere else to fit it if I were you.

Sticky Stuff

...actually, looking at your location, the chap who fitted ours is Based in Yorkshire, so he's not a million miles away. PM me for his details if you like.

stevie boy

are they thatcham approved for the insurance? i thought the top of the range cliffords wheren't approved a few years ago???

stevie

richs2891

The top end clifford alarms are approved - ie cat 1 but certain features ie remote start and blackjax - if activated may cause them not to be approved

Stupid really as I think that blackjax is one of the best security features around.

Richard

G_Sleigh_STi

yea sure if you can mate that would be great Thanks for the help.

I want some one whos done them before i these cars to do mine so i know its right.

Sigma Sam

Your insurance company is unlikely to appreciate the convenience of a remote start device, or the need for a turbo timer for that matter, for the same reason.

“Cat 1” security systems are tested as a complete product and then given an evaluation number by Thatcham based on the products proposed usage.

In their view, adding any other product at a later date, which interacts directly with the approved security system (as tested) or by-passes any of its circuits, can be looked upon as a modification to the system that was tested and could void the approval on that particular installation. To be fair, you wouldn’t expect a Category 1 product to still gain you the same recognition by your insurance company if the immobilisation circuits were not connected?

Adding additional products such as turbo timers and remote start devices are seen by Thatcham (the UK insurance industry’s test centre) to compromise security in the same way, as these systems usually have to by-pass the security system's immobilisation circuits to allow the engine to run. In theory a turbo timer need not cause a problem provided that it is not connected to or by-passes the existing immobilisation wiring, however the immobiliser would kick in 30 seconds after the ignition was turned off (a Thatcham requirement), limiting the turbo timer to 30 seconds.


There are also a couple of other points for you to consider:

Due to the UK insurance industrys requirements (and EU legislation) a turbo timer or remote start unit is unlikely to have been designed with the UK market in mind and so is unlikely to have been tested to EU 95/54 (- electrical legislation) and will not bear an "e" mark to show that the product has been tested and is fit for the automotive environment.
In addition, leaving a vehicle unattended in a "public place" with the engine running is also an offence in the UK, contravening the Construction and Use regulations.



If you don’t mention the mods to your insurance company, or the broker does not understand the implications of the modifications, then they will still be happy to take your money, but few vehicles with the standard system are stolen without the keys, so if an enlightened insurance inspector were to detect the modification it could invalidate a policy and save them paying out.
SS

davedipster

That's why I wouldn’t touch intelstart.
My insurance clearly states that a CAT1 alarm must be fitted, also intelstart with a dipol gearlock would be messy.

Dipster

NICKG

not a prob same as any 5/6 speed petrol car if any probs e-mail and i will help u.

NICKG

still not.

wannaB4

Anything with remote start, eg Solaris and the Avantguard series will not be Thatcham, most other high ends are, C500/600 from G4 and C650 & Inteliguard ?50 from G5 are