Cheaper big brake conversion
20 January 2014, 04:06 PM
#1
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Cheaper big brake conversion
Does anyone know of somebody making a kit that's any cheaper than this?
Need some bigger brakes on the front of my Type R.
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...id_product=121
Need some bigger brakes on the front of my Type R.
http://www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk/~god...id_product=121
20 January 2014, 04:26 PM
#3
Unless your looking to change your calipers as well the Godspeed set up is very good with the Subaru four pots.If your looking at something better your looking at spending ££££,as your choice is limited unless your looking at changing your calipers also.SJ.
Last edited by stonejedi; 20 January 2014 at 04:27 PM.
20 January 2014, 04:36 PM
#4
That setup seems like a lot of money to me for just larger discs. It's only discs, pads and brackets and you've still got mediocre callipers which will no doubt really need a refurb (at £150 just for the parts)
I'd much rather buy some used brembos, my mate just bought callipers, discs and bluestuff for £400. At least you'll have decent calipers.
Other option is to look at something like the k sport setup, granted it's more but you'll really need to consider your callipers needing a rebuild (unless they've been done) as the 4 pots are prone to seizing. I see Wilwood do a 325mm kit on ebay for £725, which uses their 4 pot superlite callipers, discs, pads and brake hoses but I've no idea how good they are.
I'd much rather buy some used brembos, my mate just bought callipers, discs and bluestuff for £400. At least you'll have decent calipers.
Other option is to look at something like the k sport setup, granted it's more but you'll really need to consider your callipers needing a rebuild (unless they've been done) as the 4 pots are prone to seizing. I see Wilwood do a 325mm kit on ebay for £725, which uses their 4 pot superlite callipers, discs, pads and brake hoses but I've no idea how good they are.
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20 January 2014, 05:21 PM
#6
you used be able to get this kit from ebay although they dont list them any more, im not sure on the quality of the discs either, i have bought parts from godspeed before and always had a good service.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-345...p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Subaru-345...p2047675.l2557
20 January 2014, 05:52 PM
#10
Those who think the above are just bigger discs and brackets, please read more carefully.
Ditto those who think the OE calipers aren't up to much. And bear in mind that, if fitting Brembos, new wheels will be needed at LEAST as wide as Newage STi wheels. These will fit under WRX 17's afaik.
Once the new discs wear out, you simply replace the outers, retaining the alloy bells, which makes disc replacement very cheap for the size.
Ditto those who think the OE calipers aren't up to much. And bear in mind that, if fitting Brembos, new wheels will be needed at LEAST as wide as Newage STi wheels. These will fit under WRX 17's afaik.
THE MOST POWERFUL BRAKES USING THE STANDARD SUBARU 4 POT CALIPERS.
Here is a kit we designed many years ago to fit under 17" wheels retaining the original Subaru 4 pot calipers , the calipers are a good design with good sized pistons , for the ultimate driving and track days the discs are not big enough , the standard discs are 294mm x 24mm thick , the discs in this conversion are 335mm x 32mm thick , being thicker they can take a lot more heat , and the larger diameter offer the calipers a lot more leverage , so braking power is hugely increased.
Our discs have a separate anodised alloy bell , so will dissipated heat a lot quicker than a one piece disc , and as they are a 2 piece design , when they wear down you only need to change the outer rotor as you re-use the alloy bells over and over , replacement discs come out at £295 a pair including a set of 20 nuts and bolts.
Our kit also uses a larger than standard pad , we use an Aston Martin pad which we modify slightly to fit , the pads are the same length as a standard pad so still slides into the calipers , but are about 15mm wider , our pad area on our discs are also wider than the standard Subaru discs to accommodate the pads.
All makes of pads and compounds are available in this shape pad , we usually supply either Ferodo DS2500 or NDX bluestuff pads with the kit.
The kit also comes with a mounting bracket kit which includes the brackets to fit to the upright , which brings the calipers out to allow the fitment of the larger discs , and a caliper spacer kit which widen the calipers to fit the thicker discs.
All in all the best brakes available retaining the original Subaru 4 pot calipers
Replacement discs inc 20 nuts and bolts are £295
Here is a kit we designed many years ago to fit under 17" wheels retaining the original Subaru 4 pot calipers , the calipers are a good design with good sized pistons , for the ultimate driving and track days the discs are not big enough , the standard discs are 294mm x 24mm thick , the discs in this conversion are 335mm x 32mm thick , being thicker they can take a lot more heat , and the larger diameter offer the calipers a lot more leverage , so braking power is hugely increased.
Our discs have a separate anodised alloy bell , so will dissipated heat a lot quicker than a one piece disc , and as they are a 2 piece design , when they wear down you only need to change the outer rotor as you re-use the alloy bells over and over , replacement discs come out at £295 a pair including a set of 20 nuts and bolts.
Our kit also uses a larger than standard pad , we use an Aston Martin pad which we modify slightly to fit , the pads are the same length as a standard pad so still slides into the calipers , but are about 15mm wider , our pad area on our discs are also wider than the standard Subaru discs to accommodate the pads.
All makes of pads and compounds are available in this shape pad , we usually supply either Ferodo DS2500 or NDX bluestuff pads with the kit.
The kit also comes with a mounting bracket kit which includes the brackets to fit to the upright , which brings the calipers out to allow the fitment of the larger discs , and a caliper spacer kit which widen the calipers to fit the thicker discs.
All in all the best brakes available retaining the original Subaru 4 pot calipers
Replacement discs inc 20 nuts and bolts are £295
20 January 2014, 06:03 PM
#11
I have used the Godspeed 330 upgrade kit on my bob eye and it worked well, didn't suffer with any fade either on track days, it worked better than some brembo set ups.
Make sure the other parts of your braking system are in good nick (fluid, braided lines etc) and this set up can work well .
Make sure the other parts of your braking system are in good nick (fluid, braided lines etc) and this set up can work well .
20 January 2014, 06:10 PM
#13
I have used the Godspeed 330 upgrade kit on my bob eye and it worked well, didn't suffer with any fade either on track days, it worked better than some brembo set ups.
Make sure the other parts of your braking system are in good nick (fluid, braided lines etc) and this set up can work well .
Make sure the other parts of your braking system are in good nick (fluid, braided lines etc) and this set up can work well .
.SJ.
20 January 2014, 06:41 PM
#14
Ditto those who think the OE calipers aren't up to much. And bear in mind that, if fitting Brembos, new wheels will be needed at LEAST as wide as Newage STi wheels. These will fit under WRX 17's afaik.
20 January 2014, 07:56 PM
#16
Lets put it into context,,,,
The godspeed kit is £550, add the price of a refurb for your standard subaru 4 pots (maybe £100) which they will need sooner or later and your up to £650 minimum.
The Ksport 6pot or 8pot 330mm kit is under a grand brand spanking new. So you can imagine what a good used set will be.
I don't care what anyone says, the standard subaru four pot calipers really aint all that regardless of setup. Yea they will stop you and im sure the godspeed setup really helps but you'd be mad to throw over £600 at them when you can have a far far better setup for only a few quid more.
The godspeed kit is £550, add the price of a refurb for your standard subaru 4 pots (maybe £100) which they will need sooner or later and your up to £650 minimum.
The Ksport 6pot or 8pot 330mm kit is under a grand brand spanking new. So you can imagine what a good used set will be.
I don't care what anyone says, the standard subaru four pot calipers really aint all that regardless of setup. Yea they will stop you and im sure the godspeed setup really helps but you'd be mad to throw over £600 at them when you can have a far far better setup for only a few quid more.
20 January 2014, 07:57 PM
#17
Size is the biggest trump card,my wife has my Brembo brakes fitted on her classic and even she had to admit that the pedal feel and bite is a lot better then the Subaru four pots,but then again she is running performance friction two piece disc and pads.SJ.
20 January 2014, 08:11 PM
#20
Lets put it into context,,,,
The godspeed kit is £550, add the price of a refurb for your standard subaru 4 pots (maybe £100) which they will need sooner or later and your up to £650 minimum.
The Ksport 6pot or 8pot 330mm kit is under a grand brand spanking new. So you can imagine what a good used set will be.
I don't care what anyone says, the standard subaru four pot calipers really aint all that regardless of setup. Yea they will stop you and im sure the godspeed setup really helps but you'd be mad to throw over £600 at them when you can have a far far better setup for only a few quid more.
The godspeed kit is £550, add the price of a refurb for your standard subaru 4 pots (maybe £100) which they will need sooner or later and your up to £650 minimum.
The Ksport 6pot or 8pot 330mm kit is under a grand brand spanking new. So you can imagine what a good used set will be.
I don't care what anyone says, the standard subaru four pot calipers really aint all that regardless of setup. Yea they will stop you and im sure the godspeed setup really helps but you'd be mad to throw over £600 at them when you can have a far far better setup for only a few quid more.
20 January 2014, 08:20 PM
#23
https://www.scoobynet.com/subaru-par...xp12-pads.html
£700 for brand new calipers and discs for example. A good second hand is gonna be under £600 so even if they need a refurb (which I very much doubt) then its still a very cheap good quality setup.
Last edited by MattyB1983; 20 January 2014 at 08:25 PM.
20 January 2014, 09:27 PM
#26
Refurbing a set of 4pots yourself costs a lot more than £100, trust me. £80 on stainless piston's, then really you need to put new pins, bleed nipples, seals. Then there's primer, paint and laquer and decals. And doing it in a shed with day to day tools makes it time consuming.
I've always intended to go Brembo's on the front and probably keep the 2 pot rears, but I'd expect quite a difference from what is a massive caliper. I've heard some say you need to play with the set up a bit. IE pad and disc combinations.
I've always intended to go Brembo's on the front and probably keep the 2 pot rears, but I'd expect quite a difference from what is a massive caliper. I've heard some say you need to play with the set up a bit. IE pad and disc combinations.
20 January 2014, 09:59 PM
#27
Refurbing a set of 4pots yourself costs a lot more than £100, trust me. £80 on stainless piston's, then really you need to put new pins, bleed nipples, seals. Then there's primer, paint and laquer and decals. And doing it in a shed with day to day tools makes it time consuming.
I've always intended to go Brembo's on the front and probably keep the 2 pot rears, but I'd expect quite a difference from what is a massive caliper. I've heard some say you need to play with the set up a bit. IE pad and disc combinations.
I've always intended to go Brembo's on the front and probably keep the 2 pot rears, but I'd expect quite a difference from what is a massive caliper. I've heard some say you need to play with the set up a bit. IE pad and disc combinations.
20 January 2014, 10:45 PM
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You can get sti brembos for less than £400. I last weekend paid £240 for a pair, with discs and yellowstuff pads, goodridge braided lines.
The 4pots i have taken off were refurbed by subaru less than 10k ago, gen subaru discs and pads and will be for sale soon.
As tubby said, the calliper wont cover the full surface of the disc, but the addition size in disc will make a massive difference ove the standard size.
Obviously a bigger calliper that has a bigger pad surface will make even more clamping force.
I used to run a goodspeed big disc kit on my old escort, went from 260mm disc to 305mm and it was a huge difference on the std calliper. But it was back at the time ian done drilled discs and they cracked eventually!
Ended fitting escort cosworth discs and callipers and difference again was huge as they used a bigger callper/pad and bigger disc again.
The 4pots i have taken off were refurbed by subaru less than 10k ago, gen subaru discs and pads and will be for sale soon.
As tubby said, the calliper wont cover the full surface of the disc, but the addition size in disc will make a massive difference ove the standard size.
Obviously a bigger calliper that has a bigger pad surface will make even more clamping force.
I used to run a goodspeed big disc kit on my old escort, went from 260mm disc to 305mm and it was a huge difference on the std calliper. But it was back at the time ian done drilled discs and they cracked eventually!
Ended fitting escort cosworth discs and callipers and difference again was huge as they used a bigger callper/pad and bigger disc again.
