JC-R

At some point next year i'll be looking to buy a hawkeye sti. my budget will be around £16k I really fancy the Litchfield T20 but ive never driven one. Can anybody tell me anything about them ? Are they the best drivers newage sub ? Are they a lot better than the jdm spec c hawk ?

LuckyWelshchap

I haven't a clue.
I've not driven a Spec C Hawk nor any other Newage

PM me by all means.

ditchmyster

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Save yourself £12k and get a WRX PPP, subaru's best ever performance car.

Type20Paul

I've got a blobeye type 20 but I'm not sure how different the hawks are spec wise. If they are in any way similar then it's an awesome bit of kit.

LuckyWelshchap

I didn't realise that WRX PPP's were that expensive.

fpan

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Buy a JDM Spec C.
ASTs are crap on normal (see bumpy) roads.

Barnesy

Spec C Type 20 MY06.
Very fast road car point to point. Pulls from from under 2k revs. Maximun torque by 3.4k revs. No need to drop down a gear they just pick up and go no matter what gear your in.
Handling is almost gokart like.
Destined for classic status. Only 16 made.

LuckyWelshchap

+1

I can categorically say that you are correct

Donnie Brasco 46

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WRX PPP produces max torque at 3,200 revs lol

LuckyWelshchap

And that torque is how much?
And it continues to deliver it until what revs?

JC-R

Exellent ! Definetly food for thaught

thenewgalaxy

I took a friend's WRX PPP out last night. Politely gave an exaggerated opinion.

I know it's become a joke on here but it's probably offensive to mention a WRX and a Type 20 in the same paragraph.

The Type 20 is a tastefully tuned JDM car and a fantastic car to drive.

JC-R

The type 20 sounds more and more appealing with each post
I didnt know the wrx ppp was a bit of a joke but yeah , when you think of it , Its a wrx but its got the ppp HAHAHAHA

Type20Paul

On the AST suspension point, my Type 20 (blob) has been fitted with JDM spec C suspension as the AST was too hard for the previous owner on the Aberdeen roads. I have both sets of suspension with the car and think I'll try out the ASTs after winter.

As mentioned above, there is little need to drop gears in mine - any gear and it just goes. It's very addictive!

LuckyWelshchap

It is a case of each to their own, mainly of course due to personal circumstances. If you didn't think your car was the best value for money (for you) at the time you'd be mad buying it really.

To try to give a perspective, along the lines of the 'go kart' description, I once had a beach buggy and never thought I'd drive anything as manoeuverable and manic - until I got my first Subaru, a Catalunya.
Having driven Saab turbos, BM's and a Mexico I couldn't believe the difference in performance and handling. The Cat was certainly the best thing I'd ever driven, you'd never beat it in my view.

Then along came the chance of a T20.
The difference between it and a Cat (and the WRX I had a few years ago) is imo as great as it was between the Cat and those other cars.

To me, the car is so well tweaked and tuned that I probably don't get 70% of the performance out of it, being a relatively conservative driver when it comes to bends, roundabouts etc.
It's never getting tracked (in my ownership anyway) so I won't be able to experiment with where its limits are.

LUCKO

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twin scroll, its the only way to fly

thenewgalaxy

As the type 20 Hawk is such a rare car it might be worth looking at what else is available. I mean if you are dead set on one then hold out but there are other similar (or some would argue better) around and about.

There is the option of a Type 20 Blob, very nice car and probably not much different.

I've driven a Hawkeye that was converted to Type 20 Spec and fitted with the LM400 twin scroll turbo setup, that was a very nice car indeed.

There is also the Type 25 Hawkeye which is a converted twin scroll and fully-forged 2.5 and quite a beautiful thing. The Blobeye Type 25 unfortunately was not forged (though often this was done when rebuilt) which was potentially open to 2.5 engine issues.

If what you're after is not on the market when you're ready to look then get in touch with Iain Litchfield and see if he knows what's out and about.

The Pink Ninja

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Is the type-20 not just a JDM car in either Spec-c guise or standard Sti...with some ast's, roll bars and drop links with a map?

Shaun

So much misinformation!

Shaun

If you break it down in to it's component parts then yes in essence...... but a TYPE20 is a recognised brand in it's own right, so you're buying in to that in reality.

LuckyWelshchap

And holographic boot badge.

The map brings a significant bhp and torque increase though (I think ?).

I'm sure I've seen an article which said that the suspension upgrade was the big thing about the car (probably EVO - it was an online article).

Whether you get what you pay for I don't know (never driven a Spec C and probably not capable of getting the max out of either to see how great the difference in performance is).

53

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Yup and depending on how much you worship at the table of Litchfield will determine how 'Iconic' you think it is Great car but in house branding won't make it irrespective of how few were modified and stickered up

53

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You should track it fella You're missing out and you can't take shiney **** with you

ditchmyster

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348 Nm, until 6k rpm.

Edit because I knew the doubters would come in so here's the source.
http://www.subarupartsstore.co.uk/pr..._Pack_SACC2565

thenewgalaxy

In what way?

The internals were pistons of the cast chocolate variety on those early type 25s.

tubbytommy

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yup just buy the jdm car and fit the above bits and save a few k on the litchfield badge,

JC-R

So if i get a very low milage jdm spec c hawk and fit some quality coilovers and roll bars and various linkages , Then i would more or less have a Litchfield t20 ?

LuckyWelshchap

Problem is that these threads about trackday insurance, cars blowing up etc. has made me er... cautious

LuckyWelshchap

Agh - it's in metric.

Well, you've got more Nm to the £ than I have without a doubt, but my Ft lbs do last for a second or two longer

53

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Just slow down for yellow flags

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