Sami_D

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Hi all,
Looking to get my third impreza this week but so I can sort monies in my head what would be the top money for
2005 (but hawkeye) sti ppp type uk
50k
Standard

Thanks, Sam

53

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c. £8k for the car and £3-5k for the HG, turbo and ultimately engine rebuild

The Pink Ninja

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I didn't think they did a UK hawk eye on a MY05/55 plate they will be JDM cars, most of them are MY06 and onwards for a UK car, If they did there won't be many of them.

53

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There are a few 55 plate Hawks, but they're just early MY06's

My friend had one, but like all the rest 50k is about ripe for HG's. His had HG failure and cracked VF43, another common failure

Sami_D

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Really! Is the head gasket doomed to fail with any hawkeye?

tubbytommy

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Only the 2.5 engine.
its a turd of a thing

Sami_D

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So basically don't get this model of scoob!!!!!

Sami_D

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Can the gasket be changed before it blows or is that still stupid amounts of money?
Thanks, Sam

tubbytommy

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Oh and dont forget the ringland issues on the poo.5

thenewgalaxy

Sami they don't all fail, it is just that they are more likely to fail than the older 2.0 unit that we are all used to.

The 2.5 is a great base to create a monster of an engine, you can forge the internal components and fit uprated head gaskets. An engine like that will typically run around 400bhp and is a monster of a road engine.

Sami_D

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^^^thanks for this.

So basically if I can get this car for £8k it will be right, not 9k!

And obvisiously check out knocks and any leaks.

tubbytommy

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hold on a minute.

its common knowledge the 2.5 is a very weak engine, once forged its a great engine but this cost 3 to 5 k.

if you buy one expect issues as its very common, there are people that have got lucky but more have not and been faced with a big bill.

if you really want a hawkeye save yourself the worry and buy a jdm version, this has the 2.0 engine still which has none of the problems of the 2.5.

BurtyBurg

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Or find a forged one...

53

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Personally speaking you would be mad to buy a 50k Hawk 2.5 that hasn't had the head gaskets replaced.

Sami_D

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So there's no way round it. The gasket will fail!!
I can't get this changed prior?

tubbytommy

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yes but it will cost a fair few quid, the ringland is also an issue.
a forged rebuild is the only fix.

if you can find one ready done its a good engine then.

thenewgalaxy

Basically, if you don't want to risk facing a very large bill you should go for something like this if you want a UK Hawkeye.

It has been built by all the right people, Finch have experience in F1...

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...rx-sti/1593862

That will be one hell of a car on a good A road.

tubbytommy

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read this

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...i-hawkeye.html

Sami_D

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How much realistically for the gasket to be changed without looking into forged engines!
Xs

thenewgalaxy

Sami the problem is that once the HG has gone it tends to bugger up other components in the engine.

The other problem is that the 2.5 is also prone to piston failures. All performance engines have a failure rate but the 2.5s are prone to these problems if anecdotal reports are to be believed.

Hence the reason it is a good idea to go for a forged engine car, or budget a forged engine rebuild into the cost of buying. Or going for a car with a 2.0 engine, be it a Japanese import Hawk (more expensive, you're looking 12-14k minimum) or an older car such as a blob or bug.

If for example you have £10k to spend, you're not going to get a Jap Hawk with a 2.0 engine. You're going to have to look at getting a UK Hawk for £7k and spend the rest forging. Or go for a Blob / Bug STi.

Or as I suggested, go for a mint car like this one, it's low mileage, 06 reg (I think low tax not the £490 one), absolutely bulletproof engine. And it's going for a very good price!

http://www.pistonheads.com/classifie...rx-sti/1593862

Sami_D

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Im going to go look at the car and see from there.
Advice MUCH appreciated.
Thanks, Sam

type-rob

you can take a horse to water

moneys

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Sami I have a hawk for sale which has the hg upgraded as well as the head studs. Going forged is only necessary for over 400 HP really. Pm me an I'll give you more info if you like

domino46

7-10k depending on how fast they want to sell it really

Iv got a 55 plate hawkeye sti running at around 380 and is still fine,,my only issue was the bolts holding my oil pump together came loose , lucky I noticed (gauges) or it could of been a lot worse ,,,I'm not saying it will last forever but I don't expect any engine to last forever ,,,but when it does give up ill throw a sti8 lump in for £1500 and forget about it again for a while I till that one goes lol

MattyB1983

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Id rather have 8K wrapped up in a well speced blob sti rather than a standard 2.5 hawk.

After you've spent the 8K on the hawk can you afford to fix it if it all goes pear shaped within a few months ?

53

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Not quite as simple as that

domino46

I'm 100% with you on this one matt , hope for the best but plan for the worst ,,,,to be honest I didn't have as much a choice as I would of liked when I got mine as I wanted a hawkeye but couldn't afford a jdm or the colour I wanted so iv planned in to change the engine (when it goes ) and spray it the colour I wanted aswell , and it still works out cheaper this way than paying a premium for what I originally wanted and I end up with what I want in the end

7k for my 55 plate hawkeye ,,,my body shop has said 1k for a full resprayed in white and 1500-2000 for a sti8 engine when it goes ,,,,if I could of found a white jdm hawk for 10k I would of had it strait away but what the chances of that lol

domino46

Can I ask why as iv been told it will go strait in ?

MattyB1983

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£1000 for a full colour change on a hawk ???
Not for a decent job fella. If you're gonna do it then it needs to be done right or else it'll actually devalue the car. All door shuts, inside the boot, engine bay, underside of bonnet and boot need doing.
Easiest way is to wrap the car and then come sale time you have the ability to peel it all off if thats what the customer prefers.

domino46

That is a proper job mate everywhere ,,,they are sponsors for the scooby club I help run so done me a good deal and I have loads done there aswell ,,

Spoke to wrapping company's and they all said the same ,,,you will see blue in the shut lines and was a lot more expensive than 1k

But I agree it has to be right and it will be as I love my scoobs mo than anything and iv got the three I'm keeping so no worries about re selling