GONZO01

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After reading the recent threads on here am I right in saying general consensus is that a standard newage or classic wrx is better/faster than a newage wrx sti and wrx sti jdm and that a wrx with ppp is better/faster than a wrx sti or jdm sti with ppp and a 300-350+bhp with equal torque wrx is better/faster than a wrx sti or jdm sti with the same bhp this due to the fact of gear ratios and so on?
I thought the Wrx Sti or wrx sti jdm was better/faster than the wrx in all departments? The reason for this thread is I have decided to sell my classic and was going to get a Wrx Sti or Wrx jdm sti but never considered a wrx, should I forget the wrx sti or wrx jdm sti and just get a wrx due to this being a better/faster all round car?

tubbytommy

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ditchy will be having an accident in his pants when he see's this post....

MattyB1983

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That is possibly the most confusing post I've ever read.

Just buy an sti, bolt a MD321T on it and see how many WRX's keep up.

XDevil666

Go home your drunk

foxy scoob

+1

gpssti4

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no.

GONZO01

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How is it confusing? The question is in laymans terms after reading recent threads is it correct that a wrx in all forms with ppp or modded further 300-350+bhp better/faster than a wrx sti or a wrx jdm sti due to gear ratios etc. what's confusing about that I just explained it in more detail in my original post.

tubbytommy

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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

gpssti4

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Ok, yes a WRX with 500BHP will be faster than a WRX STI with 300BHP. The end.

GONZO01

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I'm on about equal bhp standard, with ppp or with around 300-350+bhp as I mentioned not 200 or so bhp difference. That's like saying a Lamborghini is quicker than a mini which we all know it is!! Just some people rave about torque and gear ratio's etc and the wrx being better.

tubbytommy

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do some research, it not just bhp, sti has upgraded parts like 6 speed box brembos etc

gpssti4

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You asked if a WRX with 350+BHP is faster than a STI (with circa 300BHP). I gave a stupid answer for a stupid question. Sorry. I'm bored now. As tubby has said, go and do some research.

GONZO01

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Did I really? Learn to read I think!! if you have nothing constructive to say or you are bored don't post a reply on the thread then isn't it!!! I asked a serious question as I thought a wrx sti or a wrx jdm sti with the same power as a wrx was supposed to be better but after reading threads some people seem to prefer the wrx due to gear ratios etc. no read it slowly and leave a grown up response or don't post at all. Simples.

gpssti4

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You gave no indication if the STI was modified. I can't be bothered with this anymore, as others have said do some research on here (or elsewhere).

Okay, I'll give a serious answer as I seem to have offended you which wasn't my intention.

A WRX is generally considered to be a 'lesser' car; not as fast or sharp in the handling stakes. Even with PPP it's only a halfway house compared to a STI. If you want a top down list of best to 'worst' in the performance stakes I'd say:

JDM STI
UK STI
WRX

I'm excluding special editions like S202's, Spec C etc etc.

banny sti

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The 5 speed has longer ratios, is lighter and therefore with equal power the wrx will be quicker as you need less gear changes to hit the same speed and have a better power to weight ratio

XDevil666

Ah right a modded WRX with 300+ bhp - then i would say yes! it would be quicker!

the guys who have an STI will disagree though, as they will throw in the breaks etc - but in a straight i would say yes it would

jayallen

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Oh ffs...

tubbytommy

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Lol the sun brings em all out.
why not get a non turbo they are even lighter

jayallen

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The best thing about buying a Newage WRX over a Newage STI is when you start removing parts for upgrades the STI "fanboys" form an orderly queue for the parts........no, wait........ .......

PrimeKos

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Buy a Fiesta ST, they quicker then Impreza's according to Ash lol

The Pink Ninja

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Subaru sold a WRX for £22k and an STI for £28k, Which one do you think will be better and faster point to point including handling and breaking?

GONZO01

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So as Banny said a wrx with say 350bhp will be quicker than a wrx sti or wrx jdm sti with the same power due to the gear ratios and weight!!

ste_brough

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Until the WRX lunches its 5 speed box? What sort of power can they generally take?

Swedge

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Depends how you drive,

Drive like miss daisy and it'll go forever even with 400bhp+

Steve's Sti

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What is going on, if wrx is better than sti, why do most wrx owners buy the sti box, then the brembos, then the intercooler? Lol if sti wasnt better why is the parts an UPGRADE for a wrx??? Lol

ditchmyster

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And the TD04 turbo on the WRX spools faster.


Like a B055.

PrimeKos

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Tdo4 will never make more then 290bhp unless its a hybrid of some sort.

PrimeKos

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Also the 5 speed on the hawkeye wrx is good for 400 BHP all day long. Not so sure about the blob and bugeye though

PrimeKos

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I have a WRX and Steve's point is valid. The WRX will never be a match for an STI without using the Turbo, TMIC , injectors and fuel pump from an STI. These are common upgrades, but I think the OP has a point in that if the the STI and WRX on similar power and same driving skill is applied, the WRX will be the quicker car (in a straight line) due to better gear ratios and power over weight.

ditchmyster

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The New age WRX gear box is stronger than the old classic ones and will be fine up to 350bhp as long as your sensible about it.

The late Harvey Smith (RIP) ran a 5 speed at around 460bhp in a couple of cars, but added the caveat that if your going to launch like a loon and rag the **** off it everywhere then don't expect it to last, I would add the same would apply for any gear box and the early six speeds up to 2003 are not as good as the later ones 04 onwards.

I would also add that if you plan modding to 400bhp and doing track days and drag then the STi is the better place to start, but bare in mind that the things that make it "better" like brakes and suspension you will probably end up changing as you would on the WRX.

My original intention when I jumped on those previous threads was never really to slag the STI off, it was only ever to point out a few little facts about the WRX and in particular the WRX PPP as I like so many others completely discounted it as an option because of information on here.

Then I ended up with a car that had PPP more by accident than anything else, and realised that actually 99% of the people that were saying "don't bother it's crap just get an STI" did not have a clue what they were talking about and were just spouting something "they read on the internet."

The WRX PPP is actually a cracking real world package, the combination of the gearbox, turbo and prodrive map makes for a really drivable car which has really surprised me ( and quite a few others )bare in mind i've been driving for over 30yrs and used to average around 1000 miles a week for 20yrs most of which was on country roads around Nottinghamshire, derbyshire and lincolnshire in various company cars, and a young lad has to entertain himself somehow especially when the car and petrol is free., which I think should tell you I have an idea of what i'm talking about when it comes to making progress on country roads.

The WRX has it's faults but they are easily and relatively cheaply rectified and mostly only come to light when driving in a manner that really has no place on public roads, but lets face it we don't buy these cars to pootle about in.

Change the springs or fit coilovers if you must but they are not for me, up-rate the discs, pads, lines, fluid add an anti lift kit and rear drop links and then geo by a specialist, all things that need doing to an STI as well, then go play and learn how to drive it, there aint nobody that's going anywhere on a country road except people like Ollie Clark in the Gobstopper (ok slight exaggeration but you get my drift) and I for one can live with that in my £4k shed.