I'm confused?
02 August 2013, 10:15 AM
#32
Did I really? Learn to read I think!! if you have nothing constructive to say or you are bored don't post a reply on the thread then isn't it!!! I asked a serious question as I thought a wrx sti or a wrx jdm sti with the same power as a wrx was supposed to be better but after reading threads some people seem to prefer the wrx due to gear ratios etc. no read it slowly and leave a grown up response or don't post at all. Simples.
02 August 2013, 10:42 AM
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Memo:
From: Head of Marketing
To: President of Subaru.
Sir, in order to underline the company's commitment to development and to emphasis the competitiveness of its products it is proposed to form a specialist arm, to be called Subaru Technica International (STi).
It will be the role of STi to take factory standard models such as the WRX and **** them about so that the finished product performs worse than the original, thereby putting into the customer base's mind that ex-factory models as standard cannot be beaten.
I trust that you agree with this strategy.
Yours,
WRX-obsessive.
Head of Subliminal suggestion.
02 August 2013, 11:24 AM
#36
I don't get why your all "putting this on me" just because I point out a few things that I have discovered through actually owning a WRX PPP that happen to be true and are backed up by subaru / prodrives official numbers and people that own an STI don't like to hear it and have enjoyed years of WRX bashing.
Now that these cars are getting on a bit the playing field has levelled considerably along with there being more information available with regards reliable tuning and simple facts like brakes and suspension are tired across all models and the various gear boxes have their good and bad points, it's no longer a simple case of "buy the STI" there is and always was in truth a very good argument not too just go get an STI from an average joe's point of view there is bugger all in it on the road in the real world.
We can all come up with scenarios in which X car is better than Y car which was the reason I mentioned my experience with the Ferrari and the Rover 25 in the other thread knowing full well i'd get the **** ripped out of me, but it does happen for whatever the reasons, try taking a Zonda down a wet country road out here in Croatia against a Fiesta ST or a Clio cup or even my **** box Rover 25 and see how far you get before your facing the wrong way in a ditch.
At the end of the day it's about what best suits the individuals needs and budget, but this blanket opinion that the STI is better and everyone should
get one is rubbish perpetuated mostly by blinkered STI owners that refuse to see the bigger picture.
Now that these cars are getting on a bit the playing field has levelled considerably along with there being more information available with regards reliable tuning and simple facts like brakes and suspension are tired across all models and the various gear boxes have their good and bad points, it's no longer a simple case of "buy the STI" there is and always was in truth a very good argument not too just go get an STI from an average joe's point of view there is bugger all in it on the road in the real world.
We can all come up with scenarios in which X car is better than Y car which was the reason I mentioned my experience with the Ferrari and the Rover 25 in the other thread knowing full well i'd get the **** ripped out of me, but it does happen for whatever the reasons, try taking a Zonda down a wet country road out here in Croatia against a Fiesta ST or a Clio cup or even my **** box Rover 25 and see how far you get before your facing the wrong way in a ditch.
At the end of the day it's about what best suits the individuals needs and budget, but this blanket opinion that the STI is better and everyone should
get one is rubbish perpetuated mostly by blinkered STI owners that refuse to see the bigger picture.
02 August 2013, 11:55 AM
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I don't get why your all "putting this on me" just because I point out a few things that I have discovered through actually owning a WRX PPP that happen to be true and are backed up by subaru / prodrives official numbers and people that own an STI don't like to hear it and have enjoyed years of WRX bashing.
Now that these cars are getting on a bit the playing field has levelled considerably along with there being more information available with regards reliable tuning and simple facts like brakes and suspension are tired across all models and the various gear boxes have their good and bad points, it's no longer a simple case of "buy the STI" there is and always was in truth a very good argument not too just go get an STI from an average joe's point of view there is bugger all in it on the road in the real world.
We can all come up with scenarios in which X car is better than Y car which was the reason I mentioned my experience with the Ferrari and the Rover 25 in the other thread knowing full well i'd get the **** ripped out of me, but it does happen for whatever the reasons, try taking a Zonda down a wet country road out here in Croatia against a Fiesta ST or a Clio cup or even my **** box Rover 25 and see how far you get before your facing the wrong way in a ditch.
At the end of the day it's about what best suits the individuals needs and budget, but this blanket opinion that the STI is better and everyone should
get one is rubbish perpetuated mostly by blinkered STI owners that refuse to see the bigger picture.
Now that these cars are getting on a bit the playing field has levelled considerably along with there being more information available with regards reliable tuning and simple facts like brakes and suspension are tired across all models and the various gear boxes have their good and bad points, it's no longer a simple case of "buy the STI" there is and always was in truth a very good argument not too just go get an STI from an average joe's point of view there is bugger all in it on the road in the real world.
We can all come up with scenarios in which X car is better than Y car which was the reason I mentioned my experience with the Ferrari and the Rover 25 in the other thread knowing full well i'd get the **** ripped out of me, but it does happen for whatever the reasons, try taking a Zonda down a wet country road out here in Croatia against a Fiesta ST or a Clio cup or even my **** box Rover 25 and see how far you get before your facing the wrong way in a ditch.
At the end of the day it's about what best suits the individuals needs and budget, but this blanket opinion that the STI is better and everyone should
get one is rubbish perpetuated mostly by blinkered STI owners that refuse to see the bigger picture.
I wouldnt worry about it - no doubt the Veyron SS owners, fown upon the Veyron owners.
Dont get why the STI drivers seems to hate everything below them, but hey ho! Snobbery of life!
02 August 2013, 12:08 PM
#38
But hey opinions are like **** holes the world is full of them.
02 August 2013, 01:05 PM
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Mate I honestly don't worry about it, I just don't like it when newbies come along asking which car to buy and the sheep bleat join us, join us regardless of what the OP says his budget and use will be, and without the cold hard facts of just how crappy certain aspects of the STI are in the real world, and not everyone wants to drive around in a car that screams look at me with rock hard suspension and be up and down the gears like a yo yo, so i'm just spreading the word brother, AMEN.
But hey opinions are like **** holes the world is full of them.
But hey opinions are like **** holes the world is full of them.
haha yeah i know - they do like to jump on with "you need to STI, all the others are crap! Good luck getting above 350hp! The brakes suck!!!! just save longer for the Sti! "
How about "Oh hey! your budget is ####, the WRX would be a really good soild car for that price, hope to Welcome you to the fold soon
"
02 August 2013, 02:23 PM
#43
Did you know that the Porsche Boxster is better than the 911, yes it true Apparently it's cheaper as well which is a bonus cause the one I'm buying I want to put some 911 struts, wheels, brakes and gearbox in it I'm trading in my MR2 Ferrari, shame to see it go as I rinsed some genuine F40's, gonna be sweet ! 
WRX is a WRX, STi is an STi they aren't the same and shouldn't pretend to be
Apparently it's cheaper as well which is a bonus cause the one I'm buying I want to put some 911 struts, wheels, brakes and gearbox in it I'm trading in my MR2 Ferrari, shame to see it go as I rinsed some genuine F40's, gonna be sweet ! WRX is a WRX, STi is an STi they aren't the same and shouldn't pretend to be
02 August 2013, 02:29 PM
#44
See this is a perfect example of what i'm talking about, a load of smart **** rhetoric and pictures downloaded of the internet to try and make someone look stupid and discredit them but no actual substance to the argument.
De nile is a river in Egypt.
De nile is a river in Egypt.
02 August 2013, 02:50 PM
#46
I think you'll find my reply was succinct and to the point
In factory form WRX's and STi's are different product offerings aimed at different customers
Whether you buy a WRX that has been expertly improved by STi, or
whether you choose to attempt the same with a standard WRX yourself, what can be achieved as an individual should not be confused by what the standard factory offerings present.
STi, focused drivers car with all the bits to back you up in all you want to do on road and track...
WRX, (the poormans STi
) focused at those that want a fast saloon for the road and not much else.
PPP figures confuse a lot of people because in reality the figures quoted for the WRX PPP are utter bollox
I've owned all the variations of WRX, STi to be compared here and the WRX while a great car never asked to be compared with it's STi tuned stable mate
Financially anything is possible, but then if money were no object why would you buy either
In factory form WRX's and STi's are different product offerings aimed at different customers
Whether you buy a WRX that has been expertly improved by STi, or
whether you choose to attempt the same with a standard WRX yourself, what can be achieved as an individual should not be confused by what the standard factory offerings present.
STi, focused drivers car with all the bits to back you up in all you want to do on road and track...
WRX, (the poormans STi
) focused at those that want a fast saloon for the road and not much else. PPP figures confuse a lot of people because in reality the figures quoted for the WRX PPP are utter bollox
I've owned all the variations of WRX, STi to be compared here and the WRX while a great car never asked to be compared with it's STi tuned stable mate
Financially anything is possible, but then if money were no object why would you buy either
02 August 2013, 02:53 PM
#47
Well, I for one think you're talking a lot of sense.
Back in the real world, there isn't much difference between the two - one looks garish, the other slightly less so.
OK, when you start getting to high power levels, then the STI has an advantage in that you don't have to change the gearbox, but for your average low 300's car, there isn't *really* that much in it.
When you consider that you can buy a WRX for 2k, and an STI is 5k, then again back in the real world, the WRX looks like a sensible buy.
02 August 2013, 02:59 PM
#48
There's a world of difference in standard form, don't compare the two to justify settling on an lesser spec'd motor. They're both great cars, buy the one you want, what the other one has or hasn't got makes no difference to eithers credibility as a good purchase.
Drive a standard WRX, then jump straight in to a standard STi and you will think "yeah ok I get it"
Drive a standard WRX, then jump straight in to a standard STi and you will think "yeah ok I get it"
02 August 2013, 03:05 PM
#49
So the substance I bring to the argument is real life experience of owing both cars yet your substance is based on a Blob wagon with PPP and things you have read on the net....
Just to add.........There is no STI snobbery from me, I no longer own an Impreza!
02 August 2013, 03:09 PM
#50
Well I think everyone knows I don't think it is, but hay what do I know i've only been driving for 30 yrs.
See this is a perfect example of what i'm talking about, a load of smart **** rhetoric and pictures downloaded of the internet to try and make someone look stupid and discredit them but no actual substance to the argument.
De nile is a river in Egypt.
See this is a perfect example of what i'm talking about, a load of smart **** rhetoric and pictures downloaded of the internet to try and make someone look stupid and discredit them but no actual substance to the argument.
De nile is a river in Egypt.
Smart ****? Please elaborate for me why the two questions I posed are deemed to be a smart ****?
They are both simple one word answers, First one being Sti and second one being yes IMO?
If I am wrong please explain where I'm going wrong?
Likewise Jay, I owned a WRX for 5 years so am fully aware of what they are capable of
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02 August 2013, 03:45 PM
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Stock STI versus GB270 in the real world then?
Because I drove both and besides the brembo brakes, there was nothing in it. In fact the torque in the GB270 was noticebly better then in the STI. Only bonus I saw in the STI was if you were going to modify the car then the STI was the better choice to start with. Thats coming from a GB270 owner!!
Also, whats the point in arguing about it, we all bought Impreza's for the same reason. Bottom line is they all put a smile on the drivers face so lets stop arguing with each other and enjoy the cars for what they are..
Because I drove both and besides the brembo brakes, there was nothing in it. In fact the torque in the GB270 was noticebly better then in the STI. Only bonus I saw in the STI was if you were going to modify the car then the STI was the better choice to start with. Thats coming from a GB270 owner!!
Also, whats the point in arguing about it, we all bought Impreza's for the same reason. Bottom line is they all put a smile on the drivers face so lets stop arguing with each other and enjoy the cars for what they are..
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02 August 2013, 04:12 PM
#54
Drive a standard WRX, then jump straight in to a standard STi and you will think "yeah ok I get it"
The STI had poor gear ratios, notchy gear change, the suspension was too firm and crashy, and Carlos Fandango styling awful blue interior with the gold wheels and silly spoiler, all IMO of course.
But if you like that sort of thing then that's fine by me.
02 August 2013, 04:17 PM
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Smart ****? Please elaborate for me why the two questions I posed are deemed to be a smart ****?
They are both simple one word answers, First one being Sti and second one being yes IMO?
If I am wrong please explain where I'm going wrong?
Likewise Jay, I owned a WRX for 5 years so am fully aware of what they are capable of
They are both simple one word answers, First one being Sti and second one being yes IMO?
If I am wrong please explain where I'm going wrong?
Likewise Jay, I owned a WRX for 5 years so am fully aware of what they are capable of
Well done Gaz put two of my posts together and quote them as one as if the second comment was addressed to you.
02 August 2013, 04:26 PM
#56
Then the WRX was right for you, the fact that you preferred the WRX to the STi has no bearing on the fact that the STi is engineered for a different customer with a different criteria or purpose for the car
People need to adjust their minds and note that just because something is different to what they need or like doesn't reflect negatively on the alternatives, be they higher or lower on the spec sheet It just means exactly that... you didn't like or need it
Similarly it doesn't reflect more positively on the car you chose just because it met your requirements... be happy with your decisions irrespective of where it sits in the performance pecking order
the fact that you preferred the WRX to the STi has no bearing on the fact that the STi is engineered for a different customer with a different criteria or purpose for the car People need to adjust their minds and note that just because something is different to what they need or like doesn't reflect negatively on the alternatives, be they higher or lower on the spec sheet
It just means exactly that... you didn't like or need it Similarly it doesn't reflect more positively on the car you chose just because it met your requirements... be happy with your decisions irrespective of where it sits in the performance pecking order
02 August 2013, 04:35 PM
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Then the WRX was right for you, the fact that you preferred the WRX to the STi has no bearing on the fact that the STi is engineered for a different customer with a different criteria or purpose for the car
People need to adjust their minds and note that just because something is different to what they need or like doesn't reflect negatively on the alternatives, be they higher or lower on the spec sheet It just means exactly that... you didn't like or need it
Similarly it doesn't reflect more positively on the car you chose just because it met your requirements... be happy with your decisions irrespective of where it sits in the performance pecking order
the fact that you preferred the WRX to the STi has no bearing on the fact that the STi is engineered for a different customer with a different criteria or purpose for the car People need to adjust their minds and note that just because something is different to what they need or like doesn't reflect negatively on the alternatives, be they higher or lower on the spec sheet
It just means exactly that... you didn't like or need it Similarly it doesn't reflect more positively on the car you chose just because it met your requirements... be happy with your decisions irrespective of where it sits in the performance pecking order
02 August 2013, 04:54 PM
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Stock STI versus GB270 in the real world then?
Because I drove both and besides the brembo brakes, there was nothing in it. In fact the torque in the GB270 was noticebly better then in the STI. Only bonus I saw in the STI was if you were going to modify the car then the STI was the better choice to start with. Thats coming from a GB270 owner!!
Also, whats the point in arguing about it, we all bought Impreza's for the same reason. Bottom line is they all put a smile on the drivers face so lets stop arguing with each other and enjoy the cars for what they are..
Because I drove both and besides the brembo brakes, there was nothing in it. In fact the torque in the GB270 was noticebly better then in the STI. Only bonus I saw in the STI was if you were going to modify the car then the STI was the better choice to start with. Thats coming from a GB270 owner!!
Also, whats the point in arguing about it, we all bought Impreza's for the same reason. Bottom line is they all put a smile on the drivers face so lets stop arguing with each other and enjoy the cars for what they are..