jeremy

Just wondering why still no-one has really been able to compare the overall handling picture of the very best Impreza's (RB-5, P1, Sti7, Leda) and the best Evo's (with and without yaw control)

Varing roads and conditions, progressivness on-limit, predicability, stability, adjustability, steering feel, handling once past grip limits etc.

I seem to remember an off-shore oil rig member who was able to discuss these sorts of issues.

bluto22b

Think you should have included a Forester in there !
Best wishes..Blutes

jeremy

Only 1 reply?

Someone please tell me...

1. Was this simply too stupid a question to deserve notice?

2. Is it something I have done?

3. Was it too dificult a question?

4. Has the level of discourse on this site dropped multiple levels?

RichieB

Jeremy, no it was simply too intellectual a question for most contributors...these days we get "geezer is out of order" and "cossie kills Scooby" type threads which are easier to relate to for most....

Chris L

Or possibly Jeremy - nobody knows! It's a public BBS - people are free to respond or not. It's their decision - you can't force them to do it!

Most of the magazine reviews I have seen haven't yet got to grips with the front diff on the new STI. let alone done a full review against previous Scoobs and the Evo's. Perhaps it is worth an email to someone like Evo Magazine?

Chris

RoShamBo

iTrader: (1)

EVO Mag did indeed to a 4WD Mega Test.
EVO6 (with & without YAW)
Scoobys (RB5/STi/UK)
Skyline
Audi's
Escort Cossie
etc etc - all blasted round a wet track then the winners were taken to Wales (I think) for a good spanking.

The track times were quite revealing as I recall.

Have you seen this issue ?

Ro.

chuckster

1,2 and 4

Chris L

LOL Chuck

EvoRSX

Jeremy,
I think that you will find that most of the qualities you are looking to investigate will vary widely with different tyre setups so there isn't a definitive answer as to what goes best etc etc...
This is probably why it hasn't been done before.

Andy

mutant_matt

Perhaps it's time for EVO to do another one......

jeremy

Thanks for responding.
I do remember that Evo test well, in fact it was that article which promted me to call for more such commentary. I remember Barker saying that although the Evo 6 was indeed so much more accomplished than all the other 4WD's that it simply did not let its driver know about its level of grip. Barker felt, that in difficult conditions a Evo driver might get caught out either through over-confidence or though the lack of messages through steering/seat.

I often wonder if Barkers findings that day have ever been agreed with by others? Do Evo 6's tend to fall off the road more often? Or maybe was Barker simply wrong- he had not spent much time in that car, did not realize how to handle it and felt to unsure of the cars responses to have confidence in it?

EvoRSX

Jeremy,
Although I've not driven an Evo 6 with AYC (as mine doesn't have it) they 'apparently' tend to let go quite suddenly and it can catch you out.

If you think about the way it works it would be like...

1. Turn in, start to slide and AYC directs torque to outside wheels
2. More grip generated because of AYC so car pulls back around the corner
3. WHen the limit of grip of the tyres is reached, you suddenly get break away that the AYC can't control.

As a result you get a situation that is lots of grip, lots of grip, lots of grip, no grip.

In my RSX (without AYC) it'a s lot more progressive and is relatively easy to provoke the rear to step out and be able to hold it in a slide and correct it in time.

Andy

jeremy

EvoRSX,

Actually the car Evo used in that test did not have the Yaw device.