The difference between turbo 2000 n wrx
31 January 2013, 11:26 AM
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The difference between turbo 2000 n wrx
Ok barring a £2000 price difference on my insurance quote whats the difference between a uk turbo 2000 and a wrx??
31 January 2013, 12:01 PM
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If you get one with PPP (or similar mods) they are around 245-250bhp, so not much down on power over an import.
Worth the 2k extra insurance...nah mate.
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31 January 2013, 12:20 PM
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A Classic WRX is effectively an STi in that the late ones had the 276 bhp (280PS) engine, lightweight suspension arms, aluminium bonnet, rear wiper, no headlight wash, folding door mirrors, and other tweaks which have slipped my mind.
I say effectively an STi as I do not believe they had the full STi engine internals in terms of strength but mine went like a train and I was very sorry to see it go. In my opinion, it was a better car than my Hawkeye STi and I still miss the combination of power, road holding and relatively comfortable compliant suspension. It was a real wolf in sheep's clothing - see my garage.
Not sure if things have relaxed but some main dealers refused to service (probably not a problem to you) or supply parts for imports even though they would have been the same as the UK cars. Consequently, obtaining parts for things like accident damage could be tricky and may require obtaining directly from Japan.
Hope that helps explain the insurance difference.
I say effectively an STi as I do not believe they had the full STi engine internals in terms of strength but mine went like a train and I was very sorry to see it go. In my opinion, it was a better car than my Hawkeye STi and I still miss the combination of power, road holding and relatively comfortable compliant suspension. It was a real wolf in sheep's clothing - see my garage.
Not sure if things have relaxed but some main dealers refused to service (probably not a problem to you) or supply parts for imports even though they would have been the same as the UK cars. Consequently, obtaining parts for things like accident damage could be tricky and may require obtaining directly from Japan.
Hope that helps explain the insurance difference.
31 January 2013, 12:24 PM
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I bought an x reg turbo 2000 which i pay £400ish on insurance and the wrx was just under £3k!! No contest on which 1 i went for ;-) im 29 with 10years ncd also :-D
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31 January 2013, 12:57 PM
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The insurance difference between grey imports and UK cars is shocking, I remember when looking at quotes last year, the insurance was almost the same value as the car (96 WRX).
31 January 2013, 01:41 PM
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As long as you fit their criteria 
I've owned a few different 'fast' cars over the years, but because I haven't had one in the last year (Trying to save money!) most specialists wouldn't insure me, if they did, it was more than the high street insurers.
I've owned a few different 'fast' cars over the years, but because I haven't had one in the last year (Trying to save money!) most specialists wouldn't insure me, if they did, it was more than the high street insurers.
31 January 2013, 03:55 PM
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You just need to be a good risk to them. I'm 28, 5 years Ncb, did have three points for a ts10 and have a non fault write off on my name. £575 with Moley a d he gets a Christmas card every year 
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A Classic WRX is effectively an STi in that the late ones had the 276 bhp (280PS) engine, lightweight suspension arms, aluminium bonnet, rear wiper, no headlight wash, folding door mirrors, and other tweaks which have slipped my mind.
I say effectively an STi as I do not believe they had the full STi engine internals in terms of strength but mine went like a train and I was very sorry to see it go. In my opinion, it was a better car than my Hawkeye STi and I still miss the combination of power, road holding and relatively comfortable compliant suspension. It was a real wolf in sheep's clothing - see my garage.
Not sure if things have relaxed but some main dealers refused to service (probably not a problem to you) or supply parts for imports even though they would have been the same as the UK cars. Consequently, obtaining parts for things like accident damage could be tricky and may require obtaining directly from Japan.
Hope that helps explain the insurance difference.
I say effectively an STi as I do not believe they had the full STi engine internals in terms of strength but mine went like a train and I was very sorry to see it go. In my opinion, it was a better car than my Hawkeye STi and I still miss the combination of power, road holding and relatively comfortable compliant suspension. It was a real wolf in sheep's clothing - see my garage.
Not sure if things have relaxed but some main dealers refused to service (probably not a problem to you) or supply parts for imports even though they would have been the same as the UK cars. Consequently, obtaining parts for things like accident damage could be tricky and may require obtaining directly from Japan.
Hope that helps explain the insurance difference.
The STI has a different engine (regardless of advertised hp), different turbo, different gearbox, different brakes and other spec changes.
There are different WRX's such as the Type RA which was for rally homologation. But there WRX and WRX STI are different cars.
The T2000 is a Euro/UK version of the WRX only minus some spec items, smaller options list, no Type RA versions and making less power due to being setup for lower octane fuel.
01 February 2013, 12:51 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but a JDM WRX is not a WRX STI.
The STI has a different engine (regardless of advertised hp), different turbo, different gearbox, different brakes and other spec changes.
There are different WRX's such as the Type RA which was for rally homologation. But there WRX and WRX STI are different cars.
The T2000 is a Euro/UK version of the WRX only minus some spec items, smaller options list, no Type RA versions and making less power due to being setup for lower octane fuel.
The STI has a different engine (regardless of advertised hp), different turbo, different gearbox, different brakes and other spec changes.
There are different WRX's such as the Type RA which was for rally homologation. But there WRX and WRX STI are different cars.
The T2000 is a Euro/UK version of the WRX only minus some spec items, smaller options list, no Type RA versions and making less power due to being setup for lower octane fuel.
By the end of the classic shape the difference between sti and wrx was minimal.
They have always shared the same engine except the sti got forged pistons and a slightly larger intercooler. Gearboxes were the same in both cars, yes turbos differed but cars made the same power at the end. In the early days the sti made more but not much. Brakes were the same etc etc.
01 February 2013, 06:42 PM
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No one has mentioned the gearboxes are WAY different on the ratios, about 1000rpm apart at 70mph. The uk car is a much more relaxed motorway cruiser than the JDM car. But with a decent hike in torque there is little difference in acceleration.
01 February 2013, 07:41 PM
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Isn't that what I said?
On the dual carriageway at "high motorway speeds" the longer legs on my uk box help it return a very respectable 27mpg, not that I am that bothered
On the dual carriageway at "high motorway speeds" the longer legs on my uk box help it return a very respectable 27mpg, not that I am that bothered
02 February 2013, 10:29 AM
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The Type R, RA, etc had the shorter ratios.
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02 February 2013, 10:57 AM
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The differences between say a 99uk turbo and a 99 sti or minimal.
1st, 2nd and 3rd are slightly shorter on the sti but 4th and 5th are the same ratio. Final drive on the uk is 3.415 compared to 3.333 on the wrx and sti.
The type r and type ra are a different story though.
1st, 2nd and 3rd are slightly shorter on the sti but 4th and 5th are the same ratio. Final drive on the uk is 3.415 compared to 3.333 on the wrx and sti.
The type r and type ra are a different story though.
02 February 2013, 11:24 AM
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As previously said a 99-00 Wrx is practically an sti mine is a my00 Wrx import with full sti spec from factory ( 276 bhp ,sti seats ,red suspension ,high spoiler ,rear lights,spats ,gearbox amd rear diff etc etc ) only thing it didn't have was sti forged internals which it now has due to version 8 bottom end and p1 heads rebuild
Hence difference in insurance quote , I have owned both uk turbo 2000 and my current import and would not go back to a uk as in standard form it doesn't come close to the spec of a standard import. (Based on a non prodrive uk turbo with standard 214 bhp)
Hence difference in insurance quote , I have owned both uk turbo 2000 and my current import and would not go back to a uk as in standard form it doesn't come close to the spec of a standard import. (Based on a non prodrive uk turbo with standard 214 bhp)
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Interesting. All the imported classics I have tried (admittedly early ones) have been noticeably rev happy compared to the uk car. On my Uk car I get 2700rpm at 70mph and 3500rpm at 90 in 5th. What do the JDM cars get?
On the other issue I agree the JDM cars are more lively out of the box. Having driven some JDM cars I was prompted to Prodrive both my UK cars to achieve similar feeling cars, and am happy with the results for daily drivers
One note, the standard brakes on both are equally horrendous. Know liitle of the differences between the newage cars tho.
On the other issue I agree the JDM cars are more lively out of the box. Having driven some JDM cars I was prompted to Prodrive both my UK cars to achieve similar feeling cars, and am happy with the results for daily drivers
One note, the standard brakes on both are equally horrendous. Know liitle of the differences between the newage cars tho.
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