steve ex vauxhall

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Evening all,
The answer to my question is probably here somewhere but i cant find it
Being relatively new to subaru's i'm struggling to get my head round this re-map malarkey.
I have a turbo 2000 so what do i need/how much is it likely to cost for a fresh re-map and set-up?
I keep reading about Ecutek and licence's and all sorts of stuff, so am getting confused!
I dont even know what ECU i have, think it says either v7 or y7 on it i would have to have a look to confirm.
I think someone once said it was an Ecutek, so does that mean if it is then i need to pay for a licence to re-map it then the actual re-map?

Far easier on the vauxhalls, used to just buy a file and flash it across my self but this seems a little confusing to the un-trained eye

cheers

ac1867

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What year is the car?

If it's a 1999/2000 then yes ecutek may be the answer, if it's not been mapped already which sounds to be the case, then you will need to pay for the license and the map and the rolling road time.

Costs are roughly £550 fir the license and map, + roughly an hour on your chosen RR. All then + vat. So for me that was circa. £750.

But obviously if you have any mods to do, if you can get them all on before so you don't have to keep going back.

Hth
Andy

steve ex vauxhall

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Cheers for that mate.
Yeah it's a 99 turbo 2000, i dont know if it's had a re-map already thats the problem.
Full de-cat, K&N panel filter, boosts to about 14psi, but on full boost at 2500rpm, thats what makes me think it has already had something done?
I suppose the best bet would be to go to local specialist and ask them?
thanks again

chocolate_o_brian

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Reeeet, first of all, chill Winston

Running a de-cat will see your Scoobaru hitting full boost around 2,500rpm. Mine did the same prior to remap, but I wasn't running a MAF killing induction kit - something to think about as a good panel filter like Green Cotton etc. will suffice to high power levels. 14psi is around 0.95 bar, with 0.9bar being the standard boost on the MY99's TD04 turbo. That could be a little boost spike from the decat/no remap scenario, or a boost gauge misreading slightly.

Right, I'll give you my tale as I too have a 99 UK turbo albeit a wagon. I bought her standard, totally standard, even the exhaust. Over the first few months I'd delved into a couple different catback exhausts, eventually sourcing a quality Cobra decat from a good friend on here.

I bought a (practically new) Green cotton filter off a member on here for £20.
I bought a brand new Walbro fuel pump (very important for more power as the standard unit will be tired after 13 years loyal service) for £60.
These were both fitted prior to mapping with no issue obviously.

Now, the ECUtek map. The above figures are about right BUT if you are lucky or savvy like me, then you may just come across an already ECUteked ECU. Bare in mind these are different for every variant of Scoob so if sourced, it must be for a MY99 UK Impreza, i.e. not off say a P1, STi, Wrx etc, but a UK turbo 2000. Any mapper worth his salt will advice what fits and what doesn't for you Subaru.

So, I came savvy and sourced an already ECUteked mapped ECU suitable for my Scoob. It had the license on it already and simply needed fitting by the mapper, wiping and mapping to my cars specific mods. Bob Rawle had previously mapped this ECU on another car and the member was simply selling it due to upgrades. So I contacted Bob Rawle who obviously confirmed it indeed was licensed to him. I paid £140 delivered for the ECU.

Now the ECUtek is not a physical chip etc in the ECU. It's merely a license to use their software and custom map your standard ECU. This is the beauty of the MY99-00 cars as a piggyback chip or total new ECU is not required.

I booked in with Bob Rawle for my mapping session in February just gone. The map went brilliantly and cost me £280 because I was paying for Bobs mapping time (on the road I'll add, not a rolling road) and not the ECUtek license.

My figures went from 215/similar torque to 284bhp/317lbft! Just by having a Green cotton filter, 3" decat (2.5" dpownpipe flange though),Walbro fuel pump and a map to utilise said mods.

So the above figure of £750 may be just that, correct, BUT including the panel filter, Walbro, licensed ECU and remap on said ECU, it cost me £500, or £420 just for the ECU and mapping time.

I genuinely advise it as I saved a packet YET have exactly the same product as other Bob Rawle mapped cars along with very impressive results.


Hope that helps, and best of luck.

Andy

ade_sti

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What gear does it boost at 2500?

Get a VF34 or VF28 on it, fuel pump, set of 550 injectors to be safe if you want. Some mappers also like you to have 3 port boost solenoid (not really needed), the get a new maf, bin the K&N and put standard filter in or another dry element.

Andy is spot on mate, see if you can get an ecu with a map on it, will save you a fortune and then just get car remapped on that ecu - you can also sell your own or keep if you want car back to standard.

You should get a safe 330/330. Any more and gear box will die! Also get a new clutch and possibly a flywheel.

At this point the standard suspension will feel crap so you will end up spending up to a grand sorting it out!

If I was to do this again I would just buy an sti, if only someone told me before I did all this to mine.

It never ends mate!! Good luck with it however will fly if you get all this done though as long as the engine has been looked after as you could kill it if it aint.

midnight

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Or you could wait for a group buy which i believe winston is trying to get one organised presently.This is what i did when cannon fodder organised one and it cost me £460 for licence & mapping session and took my car up to 317 bhp/316 lb/ft. Any of the vf turbos should see you get 310bhp with a few mods.Not to sure about gearbox dying at 330 ,as I have run 330 bhp 326 lb/ft on my current car for 18 months now still on the std clutch & I am off to see bob rawle again in about 60 hrs time for a tweak to my existing map after fitting harveys ported headers & a 3' exhaust system.

Failing that there is a ecu for sale in the link below which was mapped by Zen performance for £140 if you fancy a nice way to beat the licence fee,but be quick as i feel it will sell quickly.

https://www.scoobynet.com/full-cars-...-breaking.html

jap craig

yes this is right, i have a turbo 2000 classic and I was quoted 550 + the rolling road from jolly green monster and he uses the surrey rolling road company.

http://www.jollygreenmonster.com/

http://www.surreyrollingroad.co.uk/

urban

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Forget a RR, get it mapped on the actual road

chocolate_o_brian

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One bar in 4th, floor it

Jolly Green Monster

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Both is best

urban

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Indeed, I have fond memories of this when Andy F remapped my car.
Trundling along at 2K, car/var/lorries passing you, looking weirdly at the man with the laptop and headphones.

Then whoosh, they look at you even more weirdly as you rocket past them

MattyB1983

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If I was to purchase an ECU that already had the license would I need to do anything about the immobiliser as that's programmed into the OE ECU is it not ?

craig5

No it's plug and play

Jolly Green Monster

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yeah immobilier not part of the ecu on 99/00

Jolly Green Monster

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most of that not RR really stems imho from years ago when people bought an RR and therefore people assumed they knew what they were doing and cars were blown up on the rr or pushed to the absolute limit to get a figure and then totally wrong on the road.

mapped on the rr with the road in mind and then checked and altered as required on the road is the best, but road mapping is also very good and obviously the environment the car lives in.

Hence I do both.

There are customers that love road mapping and customers that really dont.

Simon

urban

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Interesting Simon
Out of curiosity, what is it that some customers really don't like

Jolly Green Monster

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if weather is not nice.

I do have issues occasionally with driver only doing 3/4 throttle so moinitor throttle position and make sure it is 100%.

I think some people drive their car hard very rarely and dont like having to go full throttle etc.

can be difficult sometimes with heavy traffic..

Then there is the obvious one I dont see highlighting on a public forum.

Simon

chocolate_o_brian

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I know Bob does both road and rr mapping, depending where he does it. Pros and cons to both IMO. But I did enjoy the road mapping session

MattyB1983

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Can you O/S map a 99/00 car Simon ?

Jolly Green Monster

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No its not possible to use the freely available o/s software to map a 99/00 car.

Ecutek only, a few individuals have sorted out writing to the ecu themselves but its not available, so ecutek is the only option on 99/00.

Simon

steve ex vauxhall

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Cheers for all that info guys, seems a little clearer now

I'm not looking for massive power increases, just a bit more than standard, would be happy with 250-260, i'm really not looking to spend thousands on it either, just a little more

So without buggering about with changing injectors and so on, does anyone think that this figure would be achievable just with mapping?

chocolate_o_brian

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No offense steve, but did you read my post properly? I've clearly said my car went from standard power to 284bhp and large torque gains for £500!

Even if you have a new ECUtek license then that's about £550 plus a Walbro fuel pump, so not much more than £600. Where these 1000's are coming from I don't know. To simply map your car now you would achieve 260bhp easy, everything standard like injectors etc. Honestly, re-read my post, I've spelt it out really simply mate, as I have the SAME car

ac1867

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With a standard car no other mods?

Probably

Your TD04 should be good for circa. 280bhp, but the standard cats might hold things up a bit for you.

Andy

midnight

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Been there, and know it well mate,on 3 occasions roll on wednesday.

chocolate_o_brian

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steve ex vauxhall

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Whoa there fella,
I did read the post, all be it quickly, whilst trying to do my daughters homework, eat my tea, answer the phone, and after a 14 hour day, so didnt read it properly
I have now read it through nice and slowly and got my daughter to spell out all the big words for me, just to make sure i understand.
thanks for the info
i get it

chocolate_o_brian

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How many cats do you have in a decat then

chocolate_o_brian

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6-2 on no sleep, 1 year old trying to walk, eat my tea, do the house jobs - yeah lifes busy isn't it

Wasn't being deliberately blunt fella, my apologies, it's all there for you to hit 270-280 with a good mapper

steve ex vauxhall

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Honestly , thanks for all the info
wasnt trying to be sarcastic or anything like that, left house at 03.30 this morning, got back about half hour ago, stuck in traffic all day, muppets everywhere, and Physics homework

am searching for what you got (already done ecu) but i'm not lucky or savvy, in-fact i'm the un-luckiest person i know

chocolate_o_brian

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Well at worst all you need is a Walbro, which is no more than £70-75 from any parts place.

Then the map - £500 or so depending on the mapper. The prices vary slightly but plenty of choice for you.