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19 January 2012, 08:12 PM
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depends how many supporting mods you already have.
newage sti full engine:1500
newage sti gearbox: 1500
MD321T:1000
above are the basics for 400-450 and are second hand prices.
newage sti full engine:1500
newage sti gearbox: 1500
MD321T:1000
above are the basics for 400-450 and are second hand prices.
19 January 2012, 08:47 PM
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2.5 engine 1500
fmic 250
induction kit 150
injectors 200
fuel pump 80
20g turbo 500 (used)
uprated clutch to cope 500
6 speed conversion 1800
remap or simtec 500 - 1200
Full 3" exhaust system 250
headers 3 bolt 250 (used)
Just off the top of my head for a reliable 400- 450 bhp
fmic 250
induction kit 150
injectors 200
fuel pump 80
20g turbo 500 (used)
uprated clutch to cope 500
6 speed conversion 1800
remap or simtec 500 - 1200
Full 3" exhaust system 250
headers 3 bolt 250 (used)
Just off the top of my head for a reliable 400- 450 bhp
19 January 2012, 09:51 PM
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If you want to do it properly with new components and a 2nd hand gearbox, then throw 10+k down on the table as that is what it will cost you 
you wont do it for 5k.
Brake upgrade, 700 quid, gearbox and diff, 2500 quid, engine rebuild 2500-3000 quid, clutch 500 quid, front mount intercooler 150 quid, after market ecu 1200 quid (mapped), bigger turbo, decent one thats not knackered will set you back 8-1000 quid, injectors, 200-400 quid, and im missing a fair few bits off that, thats just under 10k, add an exhaust etc and you are over that.
Getting a classic to over 400bhp reliably is expensive, running one on standard internals above 340-350bhp is pushing your luck
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you wont do it for 5k.Brake upgrade, 700 quid, gearbox and diff, 2500 quid, engine rebuild 2500-3000 quid, clutch 500 quid, front mount intercooler 150 quid, after market ecu 1200 quid (mapped), bigger turbo, decent one thats not knackered will set you back 8-1000 quid, injectors, 200-400 quid, and im missing a fair few bits off that, thats just under 10k, add an exhaust etc and you are over that.
Getting a classic to over 400bhp reliably is expensive, running one on standard internals above 340-350bhp is pushing your luck
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19 January 2012, 10:02 PM
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For 5k you could get an engine to run 450bhp easy, but it would just be a figure on a graph. It would be difficult using it as you then need a box to take the power and brakes to stop ye. Then various suspension upgrades to keep it between the hedges.
19 January 2012, 10:11 PM
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Thanks for the responses guys. 5k is just the budget for the engine, I have a seperate budget for brake upgrade etc..
This is the current spec of the engine below.
• 3” de-cat downpipe
• 3” Apex Performance system
• Stainless manifold
• Stainless up-pipe
• APS Front mount intercooler
• APS Silicone FMIC hoses
• Autobahn88 silicone water hoses
• APS Cold Air Kit
• FSE Sytec twin-piston BOV
• 3-port boost control solenoid
• Bob Rawle 1.5 bar remap
• Walbro 255 l/h fuel pump
Oh and I don't actually own the car yet hoping to buy as soon as the current owner finds a replacement within the next couple weeks fingers crossed. I am going to get the work done straight away so want to have a clear plan of action in place!
Thanks
James
This is the current spec of the engine below.
• 3” de-cat downpipe
• 3” Apex Performance system
• Stainless manifold
• Stainless up-pipe
• APS Front mount intercooler
• APS Silicone FMIC hoses
• Autobahn88 silicone water hoses
• APS Cold Air Kit
• FSE Sytec twin-piston BOV
• 3-port boost control solenoid
• Bob Rawle 1.5 bar remap
• Walbro 255 l/h fuel pump
Oh and I don't actually own the car yet hoping to buy as soon as the current owner finds a replacement within the next couple weeks fingers crossed. I am going to get the work done straight away so want to have a clear plan of action in place!
Thanks
James
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19 January 2012, 10:16 PM
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I have a seperate budget for the brakes and suspension etc mate. Whats better about the newage JDM over the 2.5? Its not worth bothering doing with the standard engine it has I take it?
19 January 2012, 10:43 PM
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The newage STI 2.0 motors are a proven strong point. Will run very happily at 400 ponies and I've even heard of one running 500 without issue.
There is a thread on here regarding the 2.5's, worth a thorough read.
With regard to your engine... To make it strong enough it would require a complete overhaul with stronger components as the standard motor will not last long above 330. You could even go with 2.1 if a rebuild is the way you choose to go.
There is a thread on here regarding the 2.5's, worth a thorough read.
With regard to your engine... To make it strong enough it would require a complete overhaul with stronger components as the standard motor will not last long above 330. You could even go with 2.1 if a rebuild is the way you choose to go.
19 January 2012, 11:00 PM
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The newage STI 2.0 motors are a proven strong point. Will run very happily at 400 ponies and I've even heard of one running 500 without issue.
There is a thread on here regarding the 2.5's, worth a thorough read.
With regard to your engine... To make it strong enough it would require a complete overhaul with stronger components as the standard motor will not last long above 330. You could even go with 2.1 if a rebuild is the way you choose to go.
There is a thread on here regarding the 2.5's, worth a thorough read.
With regard to your engine... To make it strong enough it would require a complete overhaul with stronger components as the standard motor will not last long above 330. You could even go with 2.1 if a rebuild is the way you choose to go.
Do you mean running at 400 happily on standard internals with the newage jdm?
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19 January 2012, 11:21 PM
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Hi
You can run 400bhp easily on the standard internals on both UK and JDM 2.0l, don't go for the 2.5 unless you want to change everything as they're not that strong.
The newage 2.0l's are forged mate, most people say the max you could run a 2.0l UK STI on without too many issues is 450bhp.
Go for a Twin scroll turbo mate, not that many people do it to a classic but i don't know why.
The JDM engine is slightly better though, has closed deck block and revised Heads.
On just the engine, yes you could have 450bhp for 5k.
You can run 400bhp easily on the standard internals on both UK and JDM 2.0l, don't go for the 2.5 unless you want to change everything as they're not that strong.
The newage 2.0l's are forged mate, most people say the max you could run a 2.0l UK STI on without too many issues is 450bhp.
Go for a Twin scroll turbo mate, not that many people do it to a classic but i don't know why.
The JDM engine is slightly better though, has closed deck block and revised Heads.
On just the engine, yes you could have 450bhp for 5k.
20 January 2012, 12:08 AM
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You can run 400bhp easily on the standard internals on both UK and JDM 2.0l, don't go for the 2.5 unless you want to change everything as they're not that strong.
The newage 2.0l's are forged mate, most people say the max you could run a 2.0l UK STI on without too many issues is 450bhp.
Go for a Twin scroll turbo mate, not that many people do it to a classic but i don't know why.
The JDM engine is slightly better though, has closed deck block and revised Heads.
On just the engine, yes you could have 450bhp for 5k.
You can run 400bhp easily on the standard internals on both UK and JDM 2.0l, don't go for the 2.5 unless you want to change everything as they're not that strong.
The newage 2.0l's are forged mate, most people say the max you could run a 2.0l UK STI on without too many issues is 450bhp.
Go for a Twin scroll turbo mate, not that many people do it to a classic but i don't know why.
The JDM engine is slightly better though, has closed deck block and revised Heads.
On just the engine, yes you could have 450bhp for 5k.
Standard short motor will happily run circa 400.
20 January 2012, 10:18 AM
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Ok so it's definately looking like newage jdm is the way to go. That with the 6 speed box?
Anyone ever driven a classic with that setup? Wondering what it drives like! Used to have a v6 type r running about 350 bhp and just sold my 540 bhp evo 9. I really dont think over 500 for a daily driver is nessesary, just want something in between powerwise with a great braking and handing setup! Also as little lag as possible, my evo had an AMS gt35r setup and I found it to be really laggy.
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Anyone ever driven a classic with that setup? Wondering what it drives like! Used to have a v6 type r running about 350 bhp and just sold my 540 bhp evo 9. I really dont think over 500 for a daily driver is nessesary, just want something in between powerwise with a great braking and handing setup! Also as little lag as possible, my evo had an AMS gt35r setup and I found it to be really laggy.
Cheers
James
20 January 2012, 06:33 PM
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So they basicly have cast pistons?
The thing ive never got is that the UK Blob sti engine just seems to be as strong, you see alot less with rebuilds (i know both cars could have been look after differently) its just the heads that i really fancy about the JDM engine now lol.
20 January 2012, 07:50 PM
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i was going to say - the 2.5 has cadbury`s pistons, dodgy running that at anything above standard.
i think you will struggle to do 400 with 5k, coming from someone who`s near enough done it. i did everything as cheap as poss but tried not to scrimp either. there are always things that you forget and all the little bits and pieces cost. i had my engine rebuilt, but if you are going to buy a 2nd hand motor remember it might be dodgy, ie not what it was sold as or knackered so you would want to strip it down and renew hgs and big ends, seals even headbolts, it sounds overkill but ive been stung in this kind of way and its a killer when everything is built up and its all been for nothing.
i think you will struggle to do 400 with 5k, coming from someone who`s near enough done it. i did everything as cheap as poss but tried not to scrimp either. there are always things that you forget and all the little bits and pieces cost. i had my engine rebuilt, but if you are going to buy a 2nd hand motor remember it might be dodgy, ie not what it was sold as or knackered so you would want to strip it down and renew hgs and big ends, seals even headbolts, it sounds overkill but ive been stung in this kind of way and its a killer when everything is built up and its all been for nothing.
20 January 2012, 07:52 PM
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you wanna try and get a spec c engine and box if you can, i have seen them at decent prices, i do know that engine can take 450, yeah and go twin scroll if you can afford it, or just **** the budget and get a sleeved cdb 2.35 with a billet gt30, happy days, when youre done sell it me
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20 January 2012, 08:22 PM
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you wanna try and get a spec c engine and box if you can, i have seen them at decent prices, i do know that engine can take 450, yeah and go twin scroll if you can afford it, or just **** the budget and get a sleeved cdb 2.35 with a billet gt30, happy days, when youre done sell it me
20 January 2012, 10:39 PM
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Looks like I might have to increase my budget and keep it quiet from the Mrs then! It's not necessary to do it for 5k would just have been nice to haha! Geez would be so much easier if I could find someone with a nicely specced up v5/v6 sti wagon for sale!!!
22 January 2012, 11:08 AM
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Depend mate
If your forging your engine and doing the six speed
Get ya bits bolted on
Injectors
Sc42
K an n x not this as you already got aps I see
Uprate fuel apf
Fuel pump
Map or Ecu swap
Possible meth
A few mates ran over 400 on v5 sti engine with no forging
So up to you mate
I'd be too scared to enjoy driving it
If your forging your engine and doing the six speed
Get ya bits bolted on
Injectors
Sc42
K an n x not this as you already got aps I see
Uprate fuel apf
Fuel pump
Map or Ecu swap
Possible meth
A few mates ran over 400 on v5 sti engine with no forging
So up to you mate
I'd be too scared to enjoy driving it
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