TIFF KNOWS HIS STUFF
22 April 2002, 08:51 PM
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Sorry wrong
I'm a Tiff fan. Best was when Clarkson and Tiff went Head to Head with the Jag and M5 on Mira test track absolutly awesome.
Anyway Tiff did not slag either Car he just said the STI7 was easier to live with on an every day basis. If you are heavily into track days then you might prefer the EVO
I'm a Tiff fan. Best was when Clarkson and Tiff went Head to Head with the Jag and M5 on Mira test track absolutly awesome.
Anyway Tiff did not slag either Car he just said the STI7 was easier to live with on an every day basis. If you are heavily into track days then you might prefer the EVO
22 April 2002, 08:52 PM
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Very true, since when Driven did a comparison they were "obviously talking out of their a$$" because they liked the Evo better.
Btw, I have always (and will always) say that there's f**k all in it between scoobies and evo's, since anyone who wants the "perfect" car will be spending money on mods anyway.
And we all know what the difference between a modded scooby and a modded evo is, don't we... that's right, the badge on the front
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Btw, I have always (and will always) say that there's f**k all in it between scoobies and evo's, since anyone who wants the "perfect" car will be spending money on mods anyway.
And we all know what the difference between a modded scooby and a modded evo is, don't we... that's right, the badge on the front
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22 April 2002, 09:07 PM
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Nice to see an actual comparison of the cars good (& bad? - didn't seem to find many with either, which is about right 
) points rather than drivel followed by "I didn't find it very easy to park, so lets give it a 6" method.
) points rather than drivel followed by "I didn't find it very easy to park, so lets give it a 6" method.
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22 April 2002, 11:08 PM
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unless of course he had fancied the Evo, then he would have been an old has been who does'nt know his oversteer from his understeer
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Well, the fact is that in that case he really would have been a has been... why do some people always think that we are _biased_ if some car journalist does not like WRX/Sti and we disagree with that? I'm tired of that BS... we are right about the car and if someone disagrees with that, they are WRONG! Wrong! it's that simple and no fekkin _bias_ ...
unless of course he had fancied the Evo, then he would have been an old has been who does'nt know his oversteer from his understeer
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Well, the fact is that in that case he really would have been a has been... why do some people always think that we are _biased_ if some car journalist does not like WRX/Sti and we disagree with that? I'm tired of that BS... we are right about the car and if someone disagrees with that, they are WRONG! Wrong! it's that simple and no fekkin _bias_ ...
23 April 2002, 08:13 AM
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While I haven't driven the STI and EVO myself it seems that Tiff got it right in terms of media consistency. The EVO is the better drivers car for sheer speed and raw appeal but it would appear to be just too comprimised for most people in day to day use. As Tiff said the STI is the better all round package.
23 April 2002, 08:45 AM
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Yeah, finally someone in the media gets the point. The Evo is clearly more extreme, the great thing about the Impreza is it's all-round ability.
If you REALLY want an extreme performance car then lets face it, we wouldn't buy a 4-door saloon would we. We'd be after a proper lightweight mid-engined car.
If you REALLY want an extreme performance car then lets face it, we wouldn't buy a 4-door saloon would we. We'd be after a proper lightweight mid-engined car.
23 April 2002, 08:48 AM
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Evo was 2 seconds quicker on the track with 40bhp more.....will a PPP STi 7 be faster than the Evo?
I think it will and it will still be cheaper than an Evo, especially if you get a non prodrive...
But they are so close, if you forget the sensible angle (servicing costs/mpg etc) then it is just down to which one feels *you*, for me its the STi7, IMHO its got more character.....
I think it will and it will still be cheaper than an Evo, especially if you get a non prodrive...
But they are so close, if you forget the sensible angle (servicing costs/mpg etc) then it is just down to which one feels *you*, for me its the STi7, IMHO its got more character.....
23 April 2002, 08:55 AM
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I'm a Tiff fan. Best was when Clarkson and Tiff went Head to Head with the Jag and M5 on Mira test track absolutly awesome.
Both cars got some excellent "air" over the crests too.
23 April 2002, 08:56 AM
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" Yeah, finally someone in the media gets the point. The Evo is clearly more extreme, the great thing about the Impreza is it's all-round ability. "
He did however say it was a real pain changing gears all the time in normal driving, as opposed to the track where it came into its own.
He did however say it was a real pain changing gears all the time in normal driving, as opposed to the track where it came into its own.
23 April 2002, 09:25 AM
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"He did however say it was a real pain changing gears all the time in normal driving, as opposed to the track where it came into its own."
Which is why a standard quiet un-modded WRX is my choice over the hard-riding frantic STi. Also why I wouldn't want an Evo. Got an Exige for the frantic stuff.
Which is why a standard quiet un-modded WRX is my choice over the hard-riding frantic STi. Also why I wouldn't want an Evo. Got an Exige for the frantic stuff.
23 April 2002, 09:30 AM
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I find my new STI better around town than my old standard MY00. However the low down torque of my MY00 when it was prodrived made it ideal and better than the STI. When the PPP comes out for the STI then it should make it better than the PPP'd MY00.
The biggest hassle about changing gears on the STI is the running in period where 4000 revs is the limit. 1St gear 3,900 revs - A second later, Beep goes the warning buzzer, 2nd gear - 3200 revs - A second later Beep goes the warning buzzer, 3rd gear 3300 revs A second later Beep goes the warning buzzer etc etc.
Now it's run in.
The biggest hassle about changing gears on the STI is the running in period where 4000 revs is the limit. 1St gear 3,900 revs - A second later, Beep goes the warning buzzer, 2nd gear - 3200 revs - A second later Beep goes the warning buzzer, 3rd gear 3300 revs A second later Beep goes the warning buzzer etc etc.
Now it's run in.
23 April 2002, 09:46 AM
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on the jag v m5 note, I hate to be pedantic but it was milbrook proving ground not mira, sorry peteuk300. :$
I actually did wonder how much of the 2 secs the extra 40bhp would account for. I personally reckon it wouldnt be much at all. The sti 7 did seem to just understeer and understeer.
The evo on the other hand, WOW, I thought it was about to spin completely a few times, but he brought it back every time (that we saw at least). Have to say of the two its the evo for me.
I agree it doesnt have much character, but then the sti 7 is still fugly (regardless of how many on this site now own one).
the only character the 7 has in my opinion comes from the boxer engine note, apart from that, it is confused, bulbous, and overweight.
Sorry guys, just my opinion.
I actually did wonder how much of the 2 secs the extra 40bhp would account for. I personally reckon it wouldnt be much at all. The sti 7 did seem to just understeer and understeer.
The evo on the other hand, WOW, I thought it was about to spin completely a few times, but he brought it back every time (that we saw at least). Have to say of the two its the evo for me.
I agree it doesnt have much character, but then the sti 7 is still fugly (regardless of how many on this site now own one).
the only character the 7 has in my opinion comes from the boxer engine note, apart from that, it is confused, bulbous, and overweight.
Sorry guys, just my opinion.
23 April 2002, 10:26 AM
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Totally agree with Adam,
The Evo looked awesome on the track, the Scooby did not.
Under steer, under steer and more under steer.
It looked pretty sloppy when one would expect it to be sharp and focused.
This type of car is all about extremes.
If not, we'd all be driving cooking models from the mainstream.
Whether we admit it or not, to be labelled as an all rounder means compromises have been made somewhere.
The Evo looked awesome on the track, the Scooby did not.
Under steer, under steer and more under steer.
It looked pretty sloppy when one would expect it to be sharp and focused.
This type of car is all about extremes.
If not, we'd all be driving cooking models from the mainstream.
Whether we admit it or not, to be labelled as an all rounder means compromises have been made somewhere.
23 April 2002, 10:48 AM
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wasnt it a bit unfair to use these two cars as they had different bhp output, surely they should have had them at the same to get a better view.
if you want the real scoob then you have to import from japan..
people say this takes a while but it takes 6 weeks and you get a genuine 280bhp, the same as the evo
if you want the real scoob then you have to import from japan..
people say this takes a while but it takes 6 weeks and you get a genuine 280bhp, the same as the evo
23 April 2002, 10:49 AM
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"compromises have been made somewhere"
They are 4 door front engined saloons. Compromised from day 1. You want a proper performance car you go for a lightweight 2 seater surely?
Otherwise it's just a choice of how compromised you want it to be.
[Edited by BT52b - 4/23/2002 10:50:10 AM]
They are 4 door front engined saloons. Compromised from day 1. You want a proper performance car you go for a lightweight 2 seater surely?
Otherwise it's just a choice of how compromised you want it to be.
[Edited by BT52b - 4/23/2002 10:50:10 AM]
23 April 2002, 11:08 AM
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I dont know about you lot, but I bought my car coz of its rally breed.. My car is an EVO6 i never bought it to have a dandy nandy comfy ride in. Its a rally replica, hard, fast and uncompromising and I love it.. Thats why I drive a car of this type, I love rally I love cars..
If you lot wonted an everyday car, why buy a rally replica? Thats just silly..
If you lot wonted an everyday car, why buy a rally replica? Thats just silly..
23 April 2002, 11:20 AM
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Reality check please guys, these are ROAD cars, they are not designed for circuit racing, track days, etc. Both are the basis for RALLY cars, but again there is no comparison, as a properly prepared Group N (Standard production!!, you know active centre diff, dog box, etc,etc) car is going to cost you circa £85K, without spares, for either car. I've driven both and own an STi, and as a high performance ROAD car, it's MY choice, yes, its slightly softer / less focused. that however makes it an easier and less tyring car to do long journeys in. The driving position is slightly better for me (Evo has the better steering wheel). Finally it has a fuel tank that will let me drive to Cornwall without refueling - something you would have to do twice in the Evo assuming that you left with a full tank. Tiff got it just about right in my estimation.
On a final note the crest where the M5 / Jag got airborne at Millbrook, is followed very shortly by a 90 left, so if you spend a long time in the air off the crest you haven't got the time or distance to get the speed off, ooops!!
On a final note the crest where the M5 / Jag got airborne at Millbrook, is followed very shortly by a 90 left, so if you spend a long time in the air off the crest you haven't got the time or distance to get the speed off, ooops!!
23 April 2002, 11:34 AM
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"TWO seats ? That's compromised too "
This is true, which is why when I was at the customer clinic preview of the Exige and I was asked how many seats the ideal Lotus should have I said 'one, like the Rocket'.
But it turned out they wanted opinions for the M250...and anyway, the other people there wanted 2 seats/air-con/cd players etc...
Pah!
[Edited by BT52b - 4/23/2002 11:36:40 AM]
This is true, which is why when I was at the customer clinic preview of the Exige and I was asked how many seats the ideal Lotus should have I said 'one, like the Rocket'.
But it turned out they wanted opinions for the M250...and anyway, the other people there wanted 2 seats/air-con/cd players etc...
Pah!
[Edited by BT52b - 4/23/2002 11:36:40 AM]
23 April 2002, 12:22 PM
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Stiff Noodle knows his stuff.....currently. However, I seem to recall that phrases along the lines of 'failed race driver and talentless w4nker' seem to appear when he's not on our side.
Truth is, he seems like a good lad, and he has a job the rest of us can only dream of. You can't like someone like that.
Josh
Truth is, he seems like a good lad, and he has a job the rest of us can only dream of. You can't like someone like that.
Josh