276,280 or 300bhp?
09 March 2011, 09:41 PM
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276,280 or 300bhp?
As above what are type r's standard? Iv read loads of different articles that give these readings but which one is correct?
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09 March 2011, 09:52 PM
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In 1999 all major Japanese manufactures had a gentlemen’s agreement to de-tune or maximise the bhp output to 280bhp for European and US car models.
This has been the case in many of the previous car models that were built for and purchased within the UK or European region. Cars include the Skyline, Impreza, Evolution, 350z etc. However a alternative way round these limitations are aftermarket tuning suppliers that work hand in hand with the manufacturers to overcome the 280bhp limit. For example Nissan use NISMO, Subaru use Prodrive and Mitsubishi use RALLIART. All offer tuning services to de limit the power. In most cases, a re-chipping and new exhaust is all that’s required to restore the proposed power for the car.
Its also worth a note that the majority of these 'detuned' cars exceeded their on paper bhp figures when rolling roaded...Ive seen a factory Skyline R33 put out 366bhp when on paper, 280 was the horsepower...My old Type R put out 330 but that was a Jap motor
This has been the case in many of the previous car models that were built for and purchased within the UK or European region. Cars include the Skyline, Impreza, Evolution, 350z etc. However a alternative way round these limitations are aftermarket tuning suppliers that work hand in hand with the manufacturers to overcome the 280bhp limit. For example Nissan use NISMO, Subaru use Prodrive and Mitsubishi use RALLIART. All offer tuning services to de limit the power. In most cases, a re-chipping and new exhaust is all that’s required to restore the proposed power for the car.
Its also worth a note that the majority of these 'detuned' cars exceeded their on paper bhp figures when rolling roaded...Ive seen a factory Skyline R33 put out 366bhp when on paper, 280 was the horsepower...My old Type R put out 330 but that was a Jap motor
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10 March 2011, 08:55 AM
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In 1999 all major Japanese manufactures had a gentlemen’s agreement to de-tune or maximise the bhp output to 280bhp for European and US car models.
This has been the case in many of the previous car models that were built for and purchased within the UK or European region. Cars include the Skyline, Impreza, Evolution, 350z etc. However a alternative way round these limitations are aftermarket tuning suppliers that work hand in hand with the manufacturers to overcome the 280bhp limit. For example Nissan use NISMO, Subaru use Prodrive and Mitsubishi use RALLIART. All offer tuning services to de limit the power. In most cases, a re-chipping and new exhaust is all that’s required to restore the proposed power for the car.
Its also worth a note that the majority of these 'detuned' cars exceeded their on paper bhp figures when rolling roaded...Ive seen a factory Skyline R33 put out 366bhp when on paper, 280 was the horsepower...My old Type R put out 330 but that was a Jap motor
This has been the case in many of the previous car models that were built for and purchased within the UK or European region. Cars include the Skyline, Impreza, Evolution, 350z etc. However a alternative way round these limitations are aftermarket tuning suppliers that work hand in hand with the manufacturers to overcome the 280bhp limit. For example Nissan use NISMO, Subaru use Prodrive and Mitsubishi use RALLIART. All offer tuning services to de limit the power. In most cases, a re-chipping and new exhaust is all that’s required to restore the proposed power for the car.
Its also worth a note that the majority of these 'detuned' cars exceeded their on paper bhp figures when rolling roaded...Ive seen a factory Skyline R33 put out 366bhp when on paper, 280 was the horsepower...My old Type R put out 330 but that was a Jap motor
IMHO the 300bhp+ is a bit of a myth, firstly because car reviewers would say they 'felt' quicker than the quoted 276 (probably down to torque more than anything else) ...& RR figures, which should be taken with a 'pinch of salt' due to the way transmission loss is factored in
10 March 2011, 09:46 AM
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Well I did originally think the same as you Daz, I thought it was the kph limit in Japan, and the agreement was struck so that all cars ran 'equally and legally' and relied more on there design and build to be the 'faster' car...yet I did some research last night and above was what a few sources said...hmmm just had a chat with my Japanese Karate sensei who was a bit of a boy racer in his day (loves my Scoobarus!) and he remembers this being the case. So my research may of been wrong, should of stuck to what I already knew!
Im with you on the myth, but even with transmission loss some Skylines were getting 350 in standard 'guise. However all engines power outputs will vary, from a Golf to a Clio, and the Japs did build these cars for pure performance so I imagine there will be some higher figures than the standard, agreed, bhp?
Im with you on the myth, but even with transmission loss some Skylines were getting 350 in standard 'guise. However all engines power outputs will vary, from a Golf to a Clio, and the Japs did build these cars for pure performance so I imagine there will be some higher figures than the standard, agreed, bhp?
10 March 2011, 10:48 AM
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Well I did originally think the same as you Daz, I thought it was the kph limit in Japan, and the agreement was struck so that all cars ran 'equally and legally' and relied more on there design and build to be the 'faster' car...yet I did some research last night and above was what a few sources said...hmmm just had a chat with my Japanese Karate sensei who was a bit of a boy racer in his day (loves my Scoobarus!) and he remembers this being the case. So my research may of been wrong, should of stuck to what I already knew!
Im with you on the myth, but even with transmission loss some Skylines were getting 350 in standard 'guise. However all engines power outputs will vary, from a Golf to a Clio, and the Japs did build these cars for pure performance so I imagine there will be some higher figures than the standard, agreed, bhp?
Im with you on the myth, but even with transmission loss some Skylines were getting 350 in standard 'guise. However all engines power outputs will vary, from a Golf to a Clio, and the Japs did build these cars for pure performance so I imagine there will be some higher figures than the standard, agreed, bhp?
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My old sti 4 got 293bhp on the rollers with an aftermarket backbox and a blowing mid section!
Doesn't really matter though does it. With just an decat exhaust system, the cars will be churning out 300bhp with ease.
Doesn't really matter though does it. With just an decat exhaust system, the cars will be churning out 300bhp with ease.
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