the bear1986

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Have any of you lot on here read about the new MOT rules coming in to effect on the 1st of jan2012? Regarding you will fail if you have hids if not factory fitted and if you have a chipped or remapped ecu

beef-on-the-bone

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what about replacement ecu??

Steve777

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Just google 'MOT Rule 2012' There's loads coming up about it

chrispy200+

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I was thinking the same thing, exactly how are they going to be able to tell if an ecu has been reflashed also?

djandyg

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Theres already a thread on this, lets not start another one

The whole thing seems to change in story slightly depending on which forum i read it on......like chinese whispers...

https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...me-2012-a.html

Terminator X

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HTF can they tell if the car's been remapped & why on earth will the MOT be changed to not allow it?! What about engine mods ... need a remap after that anyways so are they outlawing all mods

TX.

53

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Decats are illegal you know, do you still have them

Where there's a will there's a way

Wake up

the bear1986

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True but it seems like they want to clamp down on everyones fun but again this has cone from the EU. Look at the type r gone lotus having to change there engines. Ok you can get round a de cat but how will you get round the HIDS as I don't have the original lights so who do people like me get round this.

Steve001

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do you think i could get a PPP refund?

edited to say. that no mod rules would/could put a lot of businesses down the pan

dj219957

i smell bull****

Steve001

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just as i thought the amount of modified cars out there it would be crazy! how many businesses rely on ecu mapping, exhaust sales etc etc etc and of course the manufacturers of said items.

cant see it happening

the bear1986

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Well I'm only saying what I've read guys I'm no expert on things like these. But your right a lot of jobs would be lost but that's nothing new look at jobs now. Do any1 here know if the states have to have MOT's done.

daz1968

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if it did come in how would us jdm owners get on as the car don't comply with eu type approval at all, Can't see the mot testers being able to have the knowledge for all cars to be able to tell anyway, they could introduce an odb read of error codes on ecu though think that is done in some countries, but I suspect a few changes will mean mot testing stations spending for new equipment and the end users paying more for an mot to pay for it, My headlights are official HID lights but don't have self levelling motors and headlamp washers so may have to swap for mot but hopefully it won't get that bad.

Ade WRX

From VOSA:

The car/light goods vehicle MOT test is about to change – the European Commission has changed the Directive that covers it. We take a look at when these changes are likely to come into effect and what they mean for MOT testers.

Britain has been testing vehicles under the MOT scheme for 50 years now. Last year, the European Directive covering the MOT test was updated and revised by a modern version called 2009/40/ EC. This was then updated by 2010/48/EU, which was ratified on 5 July this year.

The new Directive keeps the EU minimum 4-2-2 test frequency but adds a number of new elements to the British MOT test. The Directive anticipates all test changes being in place by 1 January 2012, and a common European approach to test certificates in place by 1 January 2014. So what is VOSA doing to introduce the changes?

In terms of test frequency, in mid-July the coalition government confirmed that it intends ‘to look at the issue of MOT test frequencies later this year’. VOSA contributed statistical data to inform the last review in 2008, and we expect that our computer system and the data you have entered will be utilised again in much the same way.

We expect to hear more details of the government’s review proposals later in the year.

As far as changes to the test content are concerned, VOSA has already been analysing the requirements of the new Directive and working out how to implement them. We started this earlier in the year by talking with representatives of the MOT trade at our regular Trade User Group and VTS Council meetings.

Both VOSA and the Department for Transport (DfT) are keen to ensure that any changes to the test are introduced in as practical a way as possible, keeping the burden on the trade to a minimum and ideally keeping the changes cost neutral.

In many cases, the changes shouldn’t necessarily lead to an increase in average test times. A good example is the malfunction indicator lamps on the dashboard that indicate defective electronic power steering, electronic stability control and secondary restraint systems. Testers already check the dashboard for other lamps, so no extra time would be required for this addition to the test.

Electrical wiring and batteries are now included in the test’s scope, but testers already check the vehicle structure where wiring is secured – often along the same routes as other testable items, such as brake pipes in the engine compartment. So again, this doesn’t look like an additional burden on the tester.

In the pre-computerisation days, testers often (wrongly) failed vehicles for insecure batteries, so they must have been looking at them then! Now, it means that when we implement the new Directive, vehicles can legitimately fail for battery insecurity, for no extra tester effort.

Other items – such as headlamp bulb and unit incompatibility, headlamp levelling devices and illegal engine ‘chipping’ – will need further thought before we can get a workable solution for MOT stations.

Some of the new items may require extra effort on the part of the tester – when we know for sure what that is we’ll be talking again with our trade and DfT colleagues to work out what the impact will be.

The common EU test certificate should be relatively easy to achieve – the only data that the Directive expects and that we don’t currently provide is the symbol for the vehicle’s country of origin. Probably 99% of vehicles tested will have ‘UK’ entered here, but if you do test vehicles with a foreign plate, you will need to enter the correct country symbol. We may even be able to make this change earlier if there is a convenient opportunity.

The MOT trade can rest assured that VOSA is working closely with you to introduce any new elements as efficiently and effectively as possible, with the minimum of fuss. Just as importantly, we are also working closely with Siemens to ensure that any system changes due on New Year’s Eve 2011 go smoothly! We should know more by the time the MOT seminars take place – come along and ask the experts.

Steve001

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not too frightening read i suppose the likes of ecutech and the like could apply for legal status under licence???? head lamps have been required to have EU mark on them for a few years...so, a HID upgrade with EU mark would be ok????

all a bit 'grey' at the moment

glad i have a mate who's a tester

BTW is it possible to have a 'switchable' maps?

and how the hell are they going to cope with rally/race cars?

s70rjw

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The paragraph highlighted in red in para 14 sums the speculation up....

dj219957

they will never be able to check for ecu chipping. even if they did, people would just put there old ecu in for the test and then swap out again at end, bit like cats.

-shane-

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Its just not possible as already mentioned the amount of companies out of work would be huge, I cant see how there would find out anyway

Brun

Not actually true!

scoobyd00999

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Explain???

stef_2010

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Its not illegal to have a decat fitted, however if your emmision are to high thats a fail/illegal, belive it or not I've seen a car pass the emissions test with a decat

So if you have a decat and your emmisions are within the limits its perfectly legal (which isnt the case 99.999999999% of the time)

rossyboy

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I think he means that if a car passed its MOT emmissions test without a cat, then it will pass the MOT ok. Thereby not having a cat is not illegal.

rossyboy

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damn, beat me to it

Terminator X

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Eh? It's not illegal though is it

TX.