Track day subaru's.
17 July 2010, 12:12 PM
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Track day subaru's.
Hi Guys,
Just wondering who has competent track day subarus on here and what modifications you had to make so its enjoyable, capable, and reliable.
Ive been looking at a bike engined caterham for some real fun on track but the sums just dont add up.
What mods should i do to get my scoob more fun and tail happy on track?
Would new Arbs really sort it out?
Not sure i could convert the scoob to a track car dedicated, but more track capable/fun might be an option.
Thoughts please.
Just wondering who has competent track day subarus on here and what modifications you had to make so its enjoyable, capable, and reliable.
Ive been looking at a bike engined caterham for some real fun on track but the sums just dont add up.
What mods should i do to get my scoob more fun and tail happy on track?
Would new Arbs really sort it out?
Not sure i could convert the scoob to a track car dedicated, but more track capable/fun might be an option.
Thoughts please.
Last edited by scoobyc; 19 July 2010 at 10:48 AM.
17 July 2010, 12:15 PM
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THe price difference between caterham and subaru is around 4k. so i have about 4k to spend on the scooby..Thats the budget. To make something really fun on track.
Also the costs of running a subaru on track isnt cheap. due to the weight everything gets worn out quick. brakes, tyres fuel etc. Id imagine the 450kg caterfield would be much cheaper to run on the day?
Also the costs of running a subaru on track isnt cheap. due to the weight everything gets worn out quick. brakes, tyres fuel etc. Id imagine the 450kg caterfield would be much cheaper to run on the day?
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17 July 2010, 12:23 PM
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THe price difference between caterham and subaru is around 4k. so i have about 4k to spend on the scooby..Thats the budget. To make something really fun on track.
I mean i love my track time but didnt feel like i was on the edge balancing finley on the throttle. But i guess youll never get that with AWD. I watch the likes of Dynamix and l55bat on track and they look wicked. but obviously massive amounts of wedge spent.
Also the costs of running a subaru on track isnt cheap. due to the weight everything gets worn out quick. brakes, tyres fuel etc. Id imagine the 450kg caterfield would be much cheaper to run on the day?
I mean i love my track time but didnt feel like i was on the edge balancing finley on the throttle. But i guess youll never get that with AWD. I watch the likes of Dynamix and l55bat on track and they look wicked. but obviously massive amounts of wedge spent.
Also the costs of running a subaru on track isnt cheap. due to the weight everything gets worn out quick. brakes, tyres fuel etc. Id imagine the 450kg caterfield would be much cheaper to run on the day?
17 July 2010, 12:38 PM
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Hi Guys,
Just wondering who has competent track day subarus on here and what modifications you had to make so its enjoyable, capable, and reliable.
Ive only had mine on track in the wet with stock suspension and it wasnt a thrilling drive.
Ive been looking at a bike engined caterham for some real fun on track but the sums just dont add up.
What mods should i do to get my scoob more fun and tail happy on track?
Would new Arbs really sort it out?
Just asking as the car has been for sale long enough for me not to need to sell it to afford an m3.
Not sure i could convert the scoob to a track car dedicated, but more track capable might be an option.
Thoughts please.
Just wondering who has competent track day subarus on here and what modifications you had to make so its enjoyable, capable, and reliable.
Ive only had mine on track in the wet with stock suspension and it wasnt a thrilling drive.
Ive been looking at a bike engined caterham for some real fun on track but the sums just dont add up.
What mods should i do to get my scoob more fun and tail happy on track?
Would new Arbs really sort it out?
Just asking as the car has been for sale long enough for me not to need to sell it to afford an m3.
Not sure i could convert the scoob to a track car dedicated, but more track capable might be an option.
Thoughts please.
17 July 2010, 01:24 PM
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Yeah.
But, If I did it again it wouldnt be a Scoob. I reckon it would be an M3, Sunbeam Ti or Chevette with Honda S2000 running gear...................................
But, If I did it again it wouldnt be a Scoob. I reckon it would be an M3, Sunbeam Ti or Chevette with Honda S2000 running gear...................................
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18 July 2010, 08:56 AM
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Anyone thinking of doing a track focused car thats road legal
I have two that you simply could not build for the price they are up for.
Sorry for the post blag but you gotta try!
See my website or pm me for info
Ones a Subaru powered Murtaya (better than a caterham/Westfield IMHO)
The other had over £50 k spent on it and is a pretty well sorted Impreza :-)
I am getting a bit attched to it so some one buy it ffs before I do something daft..LOL
Mr Jeffery will vouch for both cars !
I have two that you simply could not build for the price they are up for.
Sorry for the post blag but you gotta try!
See my website or pm me for info
Ones a Subaru powered Murtaya (better than a caterham/Westfield IMHO)
The other had over £50 k spent on it and is a pretty well sorted Impreza :-)
I am getting a bit attched to it so some one buy it ffs before I do something daft..LOL
Mr Jeffery will vouch for both cars !
18 July 2010, 09:51 AM
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I've been through this dilemma having run a track scoob for 2 years. The unavoidable facts are that the scoob eats expensive tyres, gets through brakes, and costs a lot to modify or repair. Sadly I'm in the process of selling my much loved scoob and have bought a track only (non road legal ex kit class cat B race car) Sylva Striker and trailer. This has an 1800 Mondeo engine, Sierra gearbox (Quaife straight cut internals) and Escort live rear axle with drum brakes. 165 bhp and only 500 kg, and it is ballistic. I did 25 laps at last Thursday Cadwell evening and nobody else even got near my tail.
Track tyres are half the price of the scoob ones and look like they will last about 3 times as long. A new clutch would be £90 and a rear disc brake conversion £250. Cheap as chips to fix if something breaks. In the long run it will cost far less, hold its value, and give me more fun.
Track tyres are half the price of the scoob ones and look like they will last about 3 times as long. A new clutch would be £90 and a rear disc brake conversion £250. Cheap as chips to fix if something breaks. In the long run it will cost far less, hold its value, and give me more fun.
18 July 2010, 10:35 AM
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IMO with a trackday scoob (for leisure) its all about running costs - one car v two: I 've been there and done the sums for my budget and a few years ago there was nothing in it, I could run a boring diesel ecomomic car for the daily drive and have a westfield for trackday fun and weekend blasts. The cost to tax insure and run both was the same as running a scoob that did both the daily drive and the tracks. So I bought a westfield and an audi estate. After a year or so I sold the westfield and went back to the scoob, purely because i also enjoy the daily drive - 95% of the time I spent behind the wheel.
however I loved every minute of the kitcar ownership experience and IME if you do your sums and can afford to run 2 cars then go this route - if like I did I couldn't get on with the boring car then the kitcars hold their money so well you won't lose out any more than the single depriciation on a scoob anyway.
With the recent affordibility of the scoob upgrades making a scoob a decent track car can be done on a budget, especially a classic
Big brakes - Ksport new or 2nd hand brembos - rears to 2 pot 290mm minimum
Suspension - Coilovers or KYB adjustable dampers and uprated lowering springs
ARB's whitelinr adjustable 22mm front - adjustable 24mm rear
Group N baffled sump minimum and cosworth baffle plate
If tracking for leisure IMO don't bother about expensive trackday tyres, just buy a new set of road tyres/ wheels and use your existing ones for track - its not about laptimes IMO its about enjoying on limit handling and it will help prevent oil surge.
Never do more than 20 min session on a scoob without an aftermarket oil cooler unless your gauges tell you otherwise, then let the car cool down between sessions.
Get some driving tuition, cheapest way to go faster.
It worked for me when I used to do trackdays for fun!
however I loved every minute of the kitcar ownership experience and IME if you do your sums and can afford to run 2 cars then go this route - if like I did I couldn't get on with the boring car then the kitcars hold their money so well you won't lose out any more than the single depriciation on a scoob anyway.
With the recent affordibility of the scoob upgrades making a scoob a decent track car can be done on a budget, especially a classic
Big brakes - Ksport new or 2nd hand brembos - rears to 2 pot 290mm minimum
Suspension - Coilovers or KYB adjustable dampers and uprated lowering springs
ARB's whitelinr adjustable 22mm front - adjustable 24mm rear
Group N baffled sump minimum and cosworth baffle plate
If tracking for leisure IMO don't bother about expensive trackday tyres, just buy a new set of road tyres/ wheels and use your existing ones for track - its not about laptimes IMO its about enjoying on limit handling and it will help prevent oil surge.
Never do more than 20 min session on a scoob without an aftermarket oil cooler unless your gauges tell you otherwise, then let the car cool down between sessions.
Get some driving tuition, cheapest way to go faster.
It worked for me when I used to do trackdays for fun!
19 July 2010, 10:47 AM
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Well its done. Subaru is sold and the following plan is into action.
buy M3 as planned, then buy a caterfield for track. Not decided yet if it will be roadworth. I do already have a defender to tow it if required.
m3 now caterfield around oct time for track.
buy M3 as planned, then buy a caterfield for track. Not decided yet if it will be roadworth. I do already have a defender to tow it if required.
m3 now caterfield around oct time for track.
19 July 2010, 01:22 PM
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lol.
My insurance company will only insure me on a special policy on either a caterham or westfield. I cant be arsed to type both names each time as i dont know which is best yet either.
Once m3 is purchased ill be on the caterfiel forums like a rash.
Fancy either a bike engined or s2000 engined jobby
My insurance company will only insure me on a special policy on either a caterham or westfield. I cant be arsed to type both names each time as i dont know which is best yet either.
Once m3 is purchased ill be on the caterfiel forums like a rash.
Fancy either a bike engined or s2000 engined jobby
19 July 2010, 03:06 PM
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For max VFM buy your caterfield during the winter! Although choice will be limited
19 July 2010, 06:02 PM
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I've been through this dilemma having run a track scoob for 2 years. The unavoidable facts are that the scoob eats expensive tyres, gets through brakes, and costs a lot to modify or repair. Sadly I'm in the process of selling my much loved scoob and have bought a track only (non road legal ex kit class cat B race car) Sylva Striker and trailer. This has an 1800 Mondeo engine, Sierra gearbox (Quaife straight cut internals) and Escort live rear axle with drum brakes. 165 bhp and only 500 kg, and it is ballistic. I did 25 laps at last Thursday Cadwell evening and nobody else even got near my tail.
Track tyres are half the price of the scoob ones and look like they will last about 3 times as long. A new clutch would be £90 and a rear disc brake conversion £250. Cheap as chips to fix if something breaks. In the long run it will cost far less, hold its value, and give me more fun.
Track tyres are half the price of the scoob ones and look like they will last about 3 times as long. A new clutch would be £90 and a rear disc brake conversion £250. Cheap as chips to fix if something breaks. In the long run it will cost far less, hold its value, and give me more fun.
Mmmm you sure?
I was the black Scoob
I missed this...
20 July 2010, 11:48 AM
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When looking for caterfield don't dismiss RAW or Sylva Striker cars, probably better value for money. Will be at Cadwell again August 10th if I can get gearbox oil leak sorted in time (engine/box has to come out).
20 July 2010, 01:09 PM
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As i say, my insurance will only insure me if its a caterham or westfield. And its a cracking deal where i can insure both cars for less than the cost of 1 (due to my age) so im gonna have to bite the bullit.
Very much looking forward to something 150-200bhp 16k rpm and 450odd kg Muchos research required yet tho.
Very much looking forward to something 150-200bhp 16k rpm and 450odd kg
Muchos research required yet tho.
20 July 2010, 01:10 PM
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http://pistonheads.com/sales/1720854.htm
This is what i really fancy. But insurances want 590 a year! Cant afford that plus an m3. I think id prefer a road legal car rather than having to trailer it all the time. Can go on test drives then if parts change.
This is what i really fancy. But insurances want 590 a year! Cant afford that plus an m3. I think id prefer a road legal car rather than having to trailer it all the time. Can go on test drives then if parts change.
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My ARDS instructor Tim Harmer of Revelation Motorsport usually has his ear to the ground for decent kit/trackcars, he found me my Striker (which apart from unfortunate oil leaks is fantastic).
info@revelationmotorsport.com
There is a lot in it handling wise, so be careful. Strikers are brilliant, some are not so good. I'm not an expert but Tim is.
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There is a lot in it handling wise, so be careful. Strikers are brilliant, some are not so good. I'm not an expert but Tim is.
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