Turbos Surge of Complaints - Auto-express Report
04 March 2001, 06:33 PM
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Taken from Auto-express:-
Tough new emission regulations are putting a spanner in the works of one of the worlds most desirable cars.
Subaru Impreza turbos sold from mid-99 on are suffering surges of power delivery (as we all know!!!) The official importer knows about the problem and blames the emissions regs.
It is believed to be the Engine Management System is burning a lean mixture at low revs (so, why do we get cr4p fuel consumption then!!??)
This has left a number of Subaru owners frustrated with the cars driveability - Forester models are also affected!
The final line says it all really:- 'Unfortunately it is a characteristic of the car and its up to the owner if they can live with it'!!!!! Well no, actually, can I have ALL my money back?? ha ha thought so!
The emission controls apply to all other performance cars in the UK - how can they get their cars running properly and Subaru seem to be singularly unable/unwilling to?
Pete
Tough new emission regulations are putting a spanner in the works of one of the worlds most desirable cars.
Subaru Impreza turbos sold from mid-99 on are suffering surges of power delivery (as we all know!!!) The official importer knows about the problem and blames the emissions regs.
It is believed to be the Engine Management System is burning a lean mixture at low revs (so, why do we get cr4p fuel consumption then!!??)
This has left a number of Subaru owners frustrated with the cars driveability - Forester models are also affected!
The final line says it all really:- 'Unfortunately it is a characteristic of the car and its up to the owner if they can live with it'!!!!! Well no, actually, can I have ALL my money back?? ha ha thought so!
The emission controls apply to all other performance cars in the UK - how can they get their cars running properly and Subaru seem to be singularly unable/unwilling to?
Pete
04 March 2001, 07:01 PM
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Not sure the Impreza runs lean at low revs. According to people I know, they run pretty rich all the way through.
With regards to other manufacturers managing to get their cars to run ok, do they ?
If you scanned the number of cars that in the last couple of years are no longer available due to the manufacturers not getting through emmisions I think its quite long.
One great car that had to be dropped is the 306 GTI 6. I'm sure other on here would name more.
Jonathan
With regards to other manufacturers managing to get their cars to run ok, do they ?
If you scanned the number of cars that in the last couple of years are no longer available due to the manufacturers not getting through emmisions I think its quite long.
One great car that had to be dropped is the 306 GTI 6. I'm sure other on here would name more.
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04 March 2001, 07:02 PM
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Thats what you get when you but an overpriced, UK car.
Jap imports don't seem to suffer from this problem do they
Why don't you see your dealer with his "cast iron" warrenty? Because its a bit too "cast iron" ie not very strong liable to shatter?
[This message has been edited by Paul Wilson (edited 04 March 2001).]
Jap imports don't seem to suffer from this problem do they
Why don't you see your dealer with his "cast iron" warrenty? Because its a bit too "cast iron" ie not very strong liable to shatter?
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04 March 2001, 07:15 PM
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No, Jap imports suffer from:-
a) Massive deprieciation
b) No market on re-sale
c) No CAT1 alarm
d) No history
e) No 3 year warranty
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Pete
a) Massive deprieciation
b) No market on re-sale
c) No CAT1 alarm
d) No history
e) No 3 year warranty
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Pete
04 March 2001, 11:33 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by pslewis:
<B>No, Jap imports suffer from:-
a) Massive deprieciation
b) No market on re-sale
c) No CAT1 alarm
d) No history
e) No 3 year warranty
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Pete[/quote]
a) wrong ( and ask a few sellers of UK cars about depreciation)!
b) wrong
c) so fit one (you saved thosands buying the car)
d) buy a dealer supplied one with full
history
e) buy one
f) you don't HAVE to run on 100RON and the
power loss is between 6-9%depending on the fuel quality
g) and the extra power, quality of fittings
and interior make it worth every penny
f) There are very few items that are
different to those on UK cars (which can be sourced from any Subaru dealership despite the official line)and specialist firms can import most of those items within 6 days at comparable costs.
If you feel more comfortable with the UK model the stick with it, do whats right for you but don't propagate half truths
Obi
<B>No, Jap imports suffer from:-
a) Massive deprieciation
b) No market on re-sale
c) No CAT1 alarm
d) No history
e) No 3 year warranty
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Pete[/quote]
a) wrong ( and ask a few sellers of UK cars about depreciation)!
b) wrong
c) so fit one (you saved thosands buying the car)
d) buy a dealer supplied one with full
history
e) buy one
f) you don't HAVE to run on 100RON and the
power loss is between 6-9%depending on the fuel quality
g) and the extra power, quality of fittings
and interior make it worth every penny
f) There are very few items that are
different to those on UK cars (which can be sourced from any Subaru dealership despite the official line)and specialist firms can import most of those items within 6 days at comparable costs.
If you feel more comfortable with the UK model the stick with it, do whats right for you but don't propagate half truths
Obi
05 March 2001, 12:20 PM
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a) Massive deprieciation
applies to all cars
b) No market on re-sale
if your car is a piece of crap UK or import nobody's going to buy it
c) No CAT1 alarm
mine came with Thatcham cat1
d) No history
mine came with full japanese history and original dealer documentation
e) No 3 year warranty
my 3 yr warranty cost me 350 quid
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
my car runs without any problems on 95
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
see above
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
my 4 door WRX shares all parts common to UK car
Of course you may *think* you are better off with a UK car if you're a worry wart
applies to all cars
b) No market on re-sale
if your car is a piece of crap UK or import nobody's going to buy it
c) No CAT1 alarm
mine came with Thatcham cat1
d) No history
mine came with full japanese history and original dealer documentation
e) No 3 year warranty
my 3 yr warranty cost me 350 quid
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
my car runs without any problems on 95
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
see above
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
my 4 door WRX shares all parts common to UK car
Of course you may *think* you are better off with a UK car if you're a worry wart
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fair points in defense of Imports. I think in terms of resale, a WRX or STI is desirable. Ultimately if someone if looking for a Superstar Imprezza that looks like it has arrived via the Network Q Rally than a STI does the job. However is someone is looking for a more Q car appeal than the UK is better.
I've had a STI for 2.5 years and have no regrets. It will be sold this summer and I'm confident that as soon as someone see's it they will do the same as I did. Buy it!
CB
P.S. I've been told that STI's MUST run on Super as running normal UL has long term problems for the engine???????
I've had a STI for 2.5 years and have no regrets. It will be sold this summer and I'm confident that as soon as someone see's it they will do the same as I did. Buy it!
CB
P.S. I've been told that STI's MUST run on Super as running normal UL has long term problems for the engine???????
05 March 2001, 01:16 PM
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On the 100 octane point I'm interested as I have been told by a contact who reconfigures imported cars for the SVA that the combined effects of lower octane and emissions brings jap models down to UK outputs?
I've also never noticed any performance difference when running my UK car alongside the equivalent Jap model.
Any thoughts?
I've also never noticed any performance difference when running my UK car alongside the equivalent Jap model.
Any thoughts?
05 March 2001, 02:01 PM
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In response. I've a wrx running on95 but according to a friend whos brother has a uk car. I'm a we bit nippier. Hes comments along the lines of " $u&k my brothers bought the wrong car" comments about the uk car sounding like it struggles to achieve any real performance etc where also made.
Jasonp (WRX (WITH GOLD WHEELS)......... NICE)
PS NOTE ALL UNSUBSTANCIATED - THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. OH yes and I test drove a prodrive mod uk car it was crap........
In response. I've a wrx running on95 but according to a friend whos brother has a uk car. I'm a we bit nippier. Hes comments along the lines of " $u&k my brothers bought the wrong car" comments about the uk car sounding like it struggles to achieve any real performance etc where also made.
Jasonp (WRX (WITH GOLD WHEELS)......... NICE)
PS NOTE ALL UNSUBSTANCIATED - THIS IS MY EXPERIENCE. OH yes and I test drove a prodrive mod uk car it was crap........
05 March 2001, 07:05 PM
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Very perceptive of you Dave P
It is worrying how many owners of Jap imports think they can run on 95????
And how many think that the Grey Imports are faster than a UK std model when running on 97??
Makes me laugh
Anyone care to pay a visit to Hallmarks in Thatcham - he seems to be dropping the prices of his Grey Imports faster than a ****** knickers!!
So, all in all, I'll stick with my highly prized and desirable UK std model
Pete
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[This message has been edited by pslewis (edited 05 March 2001).]
It is worrying how many owners of Jap imports think they can run on 95????
And how many think that the Grey Imports are faster than a UK std model when running on 97??
Makes me laugh
Anyone care to pay a visit to Hallmarks in Thatcham - he seems to be dropping the prices of his Grey Imports faster than a ****** knickers!!
So, all in all, I'll stick with my highly prized and desirable UK std model
Pete
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[This message has been edited by pslewis (edited 05 March 2001).]
05 March 2001, 11:18 PM
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Peter Lewis!
You really are a one joke wonder!
I'll bow to your expertise on ******, BTW, never had need to 'employ' them myself.
How's your trailer tent?
Oh, and on a serious note, NEVER run an import on regular unleaded! 95ron=BANG!!
Oh, and one more thing, Peter! My WRX (not an sti) makes over 270bhp on SUL+ octane boost, 260bhp on SUL. More than your humdrum estate car, I believe?
You really are a one joke wonder!
I'll bow to your expertise on ******, BTW, never had need to 'employ' them myself.
How's your trailer tent?
Oh, and on a serious note, NEVER run an import on regular unleaded! 95ron=BANG!!
Oh, and one more thing, Peter! My WRX (not an sti) makes over 270bhp on SUL+ octane boost, 260bhp on SUL. More than your humdrum estate car, I believe?
05 March 2001, 11:33 PM
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Pete!
How are you? I see you are misinforming everyone again, btw you got a fast car yet?
your comments...
No, Jap imports suffer from:-
a) Massive deprieciation
Just like my mates £40k Merc...lost 50% in two years, a bit worse than an impreza eh?
b) No market on re-sale
cough splutter...what crap!
c) No CAT1 alarm
buy a good one
d) No history
not strictly true
e) No 3 year warranty
not a problem, just buy one
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
erm, load of crap! I would run a performance car on 97 RON, UK car or not, fyi I use 97 RON + Millers octane boost, as do loads of the guys on here. Besides I would rather have a bit of extra oomph and a degree of protection for the extra few pence per litre.
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
it's worth the extra cash imho
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
hahaha, what rubbish! parts are not a problem, I get my car serviced at Roger Clarke and they use what? Genuine Subaru parts! If you need something a bit special there are loads of places to get bits from.
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Oh well, you'll never know the true power of the dark side
How are you? I see you are misinforming everyone again, btw you got a fast car yet?
your comments...
No, Jap imports suffer from:-
a) Massive deprieciation
Just like my mates £40k Merc...lost 50% in two years, a bit worse than an impreza eh?
b) No market on re-sale
cough splutter...what crap!
c) No CAT1 alarm
buy a good one
d) No history
not strictly true
e) No 3 year warranty
not a problem, just buy one
f) It MUST run on 100Ron - but you cant get it so need to run on 97Ron - thus bringing the power down to a Std.UK model
erm, load of crap! I would run a performance car on 97 RON, UK car or not, fyi I use 97 RON + Millers octane boost, as do loads of the guys on here. Besides I would rather have a bit of extra oomph and a degree of protection for the extra few pence per litre.
g) You MUST pay 86p a litre for petrol while the rest of us pay 76p!!!
it's worth the extra cash imho
h) You cant get the parts in days - try MONTHS!!
hahaha, what rubbish! parts are not a problem, I get my car serviced at Roger Clarke and they use what? Genuine Subaru parts! If you need something a bit special there are loads of places to get bits from.
Hmmmmmmm??? yes I think I will take the UK model thank you all the same
Oh well, you'll never know the true power of the dark side
06 March 2001, 12:41 AM
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You always make my days - all of you
I cant imagine life without this BBS - it just wouldnt be worth living!!
Enjoy your clapped out, underpowered, dodgy, Jap Imports.........I will stick with my, clean, straight, low mileage, beautiful 5-Door Saloon!!! (thats what it says on the V5!!)
Pete
I cant imagine life without this BBS - it just wouldnt be worth living!!
Enjoy your clapped out, underpowered, dodgy, Jap Imports.........I will stick with my, clean, straight, low mileage, beautiful 5-Door Saloon!!! (thats what it says on the V5!!)
Pete
06 March 2001, 12:55 AM
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Speaking as a potential Impreza owner of the near future there is no way I would touch a 2nd hand Japanese car since I know it has been running on lower octane fuel than it was designed for.
Therefore I have to say that I would be very surprised if there was no depreciation problem for these cars.
I would also not consider buying a new Japanese car because of the hassle involved in adding octane boosters.
I mean, a 4 door saloon shouldn't be THAT much hassle. If you want something so highly tuned it needs fuel which is unavailable in this country then an Impreza seems like a pretty silly choice of car!
Therefore I have to say that I would be very surprised if there was no depreciation problem for these cars.
I would also not consider buying a new Japanese car because of the hassle involved in adding octane boosters.
I mean, a 4 door saloon shouldn't be THAT much hassle. If you want something so highly tuned it needs fuel which is unavailable in this country then an Impreza seems like a pretty silly choice of car!
06 March 2001, 12:03 PM
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Half the lies I tell are not true anyway
Pete[/B][/QUOTE]
Ah Mr Lewis
Three replies on the same thread. This is more than mischievous, this smacks of desperation!
I tried to remember the last time I heard such porkies about imports....then I remembered. Could you by any chance be a Subaru salesperson?
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06 March 2001, 01:02 PM
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underpowered?! dodgy?!
hmm, it's the best car I've ever had and wrt power I seem to recall offering to get it on (oor-er) with you Pete... for some reason you didn't reply? hmmm
hmm, it's the best car I've ever had and wrt power I seem to recall offering to get it on (oor-er) with you Pete... for some reason you didn't reply? hmmm
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by pslewis:
<B>You always make my days - all of you
I cant imagine life without this BBS - it just wouldnt be worth living!!
Pete[/quote]
Are you saying you'll top yourself if this board goes down? Webmaster, can this be arranged?
<B>You always make my days - all of you
I cant imagine life without this BBS - it just wouldnt be worth living!!
Pete[/quote]
Are you saying you'll top yourself if this board goes down? Webmaster, can this be arranged?
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Pete,
What are you on? I bought a WRX'98 and it goes like stink. Imported cars represent good value for money and the in terms of history, Japanese owners/suppliers give more attention and care with their cars then anyone else! i.e. they are bloody obsessed!
Jay
What are you on? I bought a WRX'98 and it goes like stink. Imported cars represent good value for money and the in terms of history, Japanese owners/suppliers give more attention and care with their cars then anyone else! i.e. they are bloody obsessed!
Jay
06 March 2001, 03:16 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by JayRaj:
[BJapanese owners/suppliers give more attention and care with their cars then anyone else! i.e. they are bloody obsessed!
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not convinced, all the Imports I have looked at (OK these were Pulsars) were complete sheds, boost gauges, dodgy wheels, aftermarket exhausts, wires hanging out where misc tuning stuff used to be, god knows how much boost etc. Have bought a uhum 'tuned' uhum car of unknown history before never ever again. Bloody rice boys.
But of course there are dodgy UK cars as well.
Gary
[BJapanese owners/suppliers give more attention and care with their cars then anyone else! i.e. they are bloody obsessed!
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not convinced, all the Imports I have looked at (OK these were Pulsars) were complete sheds, boost gauges, dodgy wheels, aftermarket exhausts, wires hanging out where misc tuning stuff used to be, god knows how much boost etc. Have bought a uhum 'tuned' uhum car of unknown history before never ever again. Bloody rice boys.
But of course there are dodgy UK cars as well.
Gary
06 March 2001, 06:57 PM
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This thread started as a serious statement on the hesitation issue - and look what you dun to it!! ruined it!!
Mattski:- I wouldnt want to humiliate you in a race, I know how much you have spent on toys which you think makes you faster - how could I destroy such a good mate?? you would be beside yourself - anyway I am ALSO a better driver than you so any small BHP increase you have will be more than wiped out by my skillful mastery of the art of fast driving.
Popeye:- You know how to hurt
Jayraj:- I am on the truth drug maaaaan. The Jap imports have been given more love and attention by thier Japanese owners?? har har har har har!!! what are YOU on??? They KNOW that thier car will be exported as scrap in 3 years so they thrash the nuts off them!! after all its only the daft UK market that wants them!! those stupid English you hear them say!!
Gary:- Very good, a man of sense and reason at last!! The Jap cars I have seen have been the same - big fat exhausts, modified beyond reason (the japs dont care if they break after 3 years of course!!), all tarted up for a nite out on the town (just like a Blackpool tart!!)
Buying a Jap import is like buying a hire car - its been thrashed to within 500rpm of its life, it has no history that can be checked up on, its just basically not wanted by any sane person!!
You all KNOW I'm right!!
Pete
Mattski:- I wouldnt want to humiliate you in a race, I know how much you have spent on toys which you think makes you faster - how could I destroy such a good mate?? you would be beside yourself - anyway I am ALSO a better driver than you so any small BHP increase you have will be more than wiped out by my skillful mastery of the art of fast driving.
Popeye:- You know how to hurt
Jayraj:- I am on the truth drug maaaaan. The Jap imports have been given more love and attention by thier Japanese owners?? har har har har har!!! what are YOU on??? They KNOW that thier car will be exported as scrap in 3 years so they thrash the nuts off them!! after all its only the daft UK market that wants them!! those stupid English you hear them say!!
Gary:- Very good, a man of sense and reason at last!! The Jap cars I have seen have been the same - big fat exhausts, modified beyond reason (the japs dont care if they break after 3 years of course!!), all tarted up for a nite out on the town (just like a Blackpool tart!!)
Buying a Jap import is like buying a hire car - its been thrashed to within 500rpm of its life, it has no history that can be checked up on, its just basically not wanted by any sane person!!
You all KNOW I'm right!!
Pete
06 March 2001, 07:07 PM
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lol@pete better driver, destroy me?!
put your money where your mouth is ! (tumbleweed, silence, Mr Lewis why is that then? still, it might not be worth wasting the millers against a pipe-n-slippers car )
better driver, destroy me?!put your money where your mouth is !
(tumbleweed, silence, Mr Lewis why is that then? still, it might not be worth wasting the millers against a pipe-n-slippers car )
06 March 2001, 11:36 PM
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Sob, Sob, Sob, Sod
How do you know I have a pipe and slippers?? I hope no-one tells you I wear pyjamas to bed!!!!!!!!!!
Where is Suntit these days???
Pete
How do you know I have a pipe and slippers??
I hope no-one tells you I wear pyjamas to bed!!!!!!!!!! Where is Suntit these days???
Pete
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