banny sti

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Just been browsing the cars for sale section on the MLR and there are at least 4 500+ bhp cars for sale and this seems to be a regular occurrence. Some of the prices are a but optimistic to say the least

However on snet very rarely do big power car come up for sale and if one does become available they sell quickly.

Would this indicate a big power Impreza is a better ownership proposition than an similar powered evo, thoughts please?

Banny

stealthy55

probably a lot more 500+ evos than 500+ subarus, is there many "proven" 500+ on here?

banny sti

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Do get the feeling though that some of the power figures on the evos, seem for the lack of a better word rather optimistic. As lesser powered Imprezas will out perform some them, even though they run more power.

Banny

scubbay

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An Impreza with the same power as an Evo will be much faster. When I had around 450-480bhp (Never r/roaded) last year, I regularly beat 550-620bhp evos on the strip. They seem to lose more power through the transmission. They are easier to get the figures out of, this doesnt transfer to good quarter times normally though.

rickya

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I remember Shaun (ex-webby) recently commenting on a thread about how the Evo dyno power calculations are differently calculated to Imprezas & so more flatering for Evos, giving them higher numbers.

Saying that, the 4G63 Mitsu engine is very easy to extract big power out of as compared to the equivilant Subaru offering as Im sure you already know

rickya

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On my Spec C for sale thread, Immy (Performance Manchester) also commented on how a similar Evo would need to be approx 400bhp to keep up with my 350bhp/400ftlb Spec C on the track. He has owned several of each & therefore has first hand experience on the subject.

HI8SSN

hi
i am running my type r with full spec c v10 setup and my friend had evo maped and proven 410 and he says ur car is faster then mine.guy who remaped mine he said to me mine is running 350

dunx

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My pal Ben is flatout dropping 2.3 motors into Ev*s, un-mapped Rich's car was a match for mine (400 bhp), and after Andrew Carr mapped it to around 500 bhp it's gone in a cloud of dust... X turbo and usual up-grades needed.

So yes, many more 500+ Evos around than Scoobs, IMHO.

dunx

stevebt

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Aren't most 500bhp evo's just a rod change and a new turbo and remap(plus other little bits) where as 500bhp imprezas have the works

IainMilford

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I'm no expert but was under the impression that Evo's require less work/cash to get big power ....


wisdom over ....

Karl_STI

Evo are easier to get big power out of, an FQ360 MR can get between 420-430, without changing the turbo, the lesser Evo 9 can get around 400 without to much trouble. Scoobies will need more work to get the same figures. I don't know about the higher powered versions, but around the 300 bhp mark, according to Autocars 0-100-0 tests the Evo's always won.
Ultimately, you pays your money you make your chioce, I love both cars, and are more the happier that they are about.

Shaun

You have been reading way too many web forums and bull dyno graphs!!!

juggers

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fq360 can only hit 400bhp/400ltb like the rest as it's the sme engine and turbo just different map.

N_Scooby

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I would think that because Evo's have a better re-sale value over the equivalent year Subaru that more of them are sold as complete cars. Most on Snet get broken as they are worth more in parts.

Karl_STI

That can be said of any car, if they are all bull what is the point of putting a car on a dyno???

For what it is worth the bull ones state 440, conservative state 420.

Karl_STI

FQ 360 MR has a different turbo.

Ginge !

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its down to value of the car too im sure, evos seem to cost more and so someone who is willing to pay extra for a car will generally spend more money modding it,,, most of us buy a car based on a budget or atleast i did,,, i got just want i wanted for half the price of a evo,,,,, how many 500bhp evo 5's or less are there is the best way to look at it

id love a evo8,,,, just looks a million times better than a subaru IMO just costs way too much for what i would actually use it for tbh hence i got a scooby

wrx287

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Ive noticed this aswell. I was looking at getting an Evo 6 a couple of months ago and noticed that standard-ish ones go for between £6.5k-£10k but then when you get to 500+bhp the prices jump to £16k-£25k

Shaun

You are right, it is different. Infact it does not flow as much as the standard IX turbo!

You have more chance of getting an audience with the pope, tha trying to get 440bhp out of a IX MR turbo! That was the reason for my original comment to you. There is bull and then there are certain dyno figures. Not much difference in meaning between those two words in some cases.

Karl_STI

I agree hence I quoted 420-430, but people do believe they can go upto 440+. See thread below. And to be honest Xtreme normally are conservative, but on this one I think they are out.

IX MR 360 Definative Answer.. - Mitsubishi Lancer Register Forum

Ultimately, they are all pretty quick cars whether you have 350, 400 or whatever. Also it is how you use it, and where the power is in the rev range.

mr_D

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come on, try and use his lowest figure to give him a chance. he didnt purely say 440 did he. he said 420-440.

and im sorry but cars dont all act the same and sometimes you might be able to get the lesser figure out of it. sometimes you have really good reading and gains off something that someone else couldnt. and this has been shown may times on the net.

example car a and b both have all the same mods and yr car. same engine. and so on.

option 1
a mapper does custom maps and therefor might get more out of one than the other.

option 2
different mappers get completely different figures. obviously using different maps


it can be done and has been. some run stupid power not worrying about the risks. so yes it maybe possible to get those figures. unlikely but always a possibility

NeilP1

my EVO IX with just under 2k got me 412 bhp/430lbft

cams £300
3" turbo back exhaust £600
fuel pump (225 Walbro) £65
apexi boost controller £200
and a remap £350

to get 500bhp+ on top of the above

TT s205 turbo £1500
750 cc injectors £300
forged rods fitted £1000
clutch would need doing to but cud hold out car would be around the 460lbft mark

stevebt

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A friend took me out in his evo that was dyno'd at 670bhp. I was in the passenger seat and admitted the car was faster than mine. The next day I took my car out and drove it in anger and i didn't think there was much in the two. He is now running a similar gt35r and his makes 100bhp more than mine?

kp51 bad

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Just my experience so don't everybody shout, Evo owners tend to look down on impreza owners. like i say just my opinion from experience.

This guy was humbled though.
Needed to ease off to give him a fighting chance lol
YouTube - Mitsubishi Evo vs Subaru Impreza

stevebt

iTrader: (8)

How come the walbro pump can't flow enough for 500bhp on an impreza but it can on an evo ??

stealthy55

it does/ did

NeilP1

must be all down to what the fuel presser is

Karl_STI

Nothing like good old fashioned Pub talk.

NeilP1

think he missed a gear why would you/he back off lol
looks like the evo boged down on the start to me
and what to say the scooby was not 500+bhp
and evo 300bhp

Ginge !

iTrader: (1)

its down to some engines are more efficient, i come from a ford background but the cvh turbo engine ( as fitted to a escort turbo or fiesta) requies MORE fuel than a YB engine (cossie) to get the same BHP, you need grays on a erst to get 300bhp and on a cossie they aint needed till 360bhp

and judging by the fuel economy of a impreza,,,, i would say its not as efficient in design as a evo engine

the parts and work for subarus are also a big factor, 4 cams required not2, 4 adjustable pullys, the injectors are "different design" as they are side fed (i know other cars are but not as many as top fed) blah blah blah

now to get 500bhp from a scooby is more than the cars worth with the classics so generally aint done i guess