GT_Andy

Hello all - i'm new here and after a little advice before i take the plunge into the world of Subaru!

A friend of mine has offered me his Impreza and just wanted your input as to how much it's worth. This is a the spec:

2002 52 Plate
70K FSSH
PPP fitted 265bhp (cost of £1600 with certificate)
Immaculate inside & out
Silver
It's a wagon

The car is identical to this one -


So what do you think? I'm guessing somewhere upwards of £3500?

Thanks in advance

timmy2take

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I'd make sure the cambelt has been done etc.

Theres one that looks exactly the same as that a few posts up for £3k but don't know the mileage etc.

Steve_PPP

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Being a '52 plate (last of the bugeyes) i'd expect it to be worth morelike £4k - 4.5k. All depends on condition and history really, a mint one should still make 5k imo, especially with the PPP

3k seems way too low, i've seen 10 year old (and older) classic UK cars go for more than that recently

GT_Andy

I have to agree with what you're saying... £3K would certainly be too cheap - i think at least £4K is more reasonable but let's see what price tag my mate comes back with. If it's too much, i'll start researching what i could buy for £3K to £3.5K.

Cheers!

Rob Day

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Sold my 2001 Dark Blue wrx wagon in May this year with 112k, full service (half subaru, half independants), interior good, exterior had some small dents, no big scratches though, wheels & tyres in good condition & no mods other than a stainless pipe all for £2750.

If the bodywork was mint, and the interior was immacualte and the tax wasnt due to expire I would have said still only £3k due to the mileage. The car was my work horse for 2 house renovations projects so the seats were constantly folded down!

HTH
Rob

GT_Andy

Cheers Rob
I was hoping that some would say around the £3K mark, but with the PPP fitted and the lower mileage i think i'd pay up to £4K... if i have to of course!

I've never owned a Scoob and i WANT the lovely Boxer burble!

Rob Day

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I know hes your mate and all that, but charity starts at home mate. As for the PPP side of things I wouldnt be too bothered if you bought a car without PPP if you intend on modding. PPP certificate is a nice bit of paper to go with the rest of the Subaru literature but is it worth it? Mine is PPP but its been modded

See the below I robbed from ScoUK.

This is one of my favourite projects to date.. Take one standard Subaru Impreza WRX, take one drivers club called the Subaru Impreza Drivers Club (SIDC) and one website called eBay.. And what do you get? A Subaru Impreza WRX PPP for the fraction of a cost of what you’d pay for PPP form a dealer! Just in case your wondering, PPP isn’t the latest drug.. Well maybe it is.. it stands for Prodrive Performance Pack. Prodrive is the UK company based in Banbury who have run the Subaru World Rally Team for many years now. They know Subaru’s inside and out, and it shows. The PPP makes for a more powerful, more torquey and a much more drivable car!!
Here's how I managed to upgrade to PPP for under £320! (RRP £1,500)
So what’s it all about.. The Prodrive Performance Pack consists of ECU upgrade / removal of the 3rd catalytic converter. New burbly backbox and a stronger silicone pipe for the turbo.. Standard one is hardened plastic and was known to go *POP* when the higher boost levels were applied.
Ok time to take a count.. RRP of a Prodrive Performance Pack for my car? £1,500 And how much did it cost me?

• Prodrve backbox off eBay - £129
• Prodrive 3rd cat delete pipe from a member of the SIDC - £55
• Silicone y-pipe between turbo and intercooler , ebay again - £42.01
• ECU Upgrade - £87.19 (ODB-II cable from tactrix in the USA)
• Total cost: £ 313.20

In fairness I’m still using the standard WRX ECU but it’s got a performance map “based” on the newer 265bhp PPP map which can be found on the 2003 model WRX. Which in theory makes this more powerful than the original PPP for my car yeeHaa!! (Origonal PPP took power to just 245bhp from the standard 215bhp)
So count all that up and you see I had a saving of £1,186.80 over RRP! Well worth it!.. Also worth noting that the parts were installed by me! Not a garage so no labour costs. I like getting my hands dirty with this and it feels better to do it yourself and see the rewards!
Installing the parts was simple enough.. but the ECU map was a little different.. the £87 comes from the cost of getting a ECU->USB cable imported from the USA (including £23 to get it through customs). This cable allowed me to plug a laptop, or any other PC, into the car’s ECU.. After that it was simply a case of tweaking the map to be as close as possible to the prodrive spec. Ok.. In fairness it too a hell of a lot of research to understand what to do and how do it making sure I understood what I was doing before changing anything.. One wrong value and you could kill the car easily!!

Oh the Ecu part - wouldnt bother - get the car mapped properly by someone who knows what they are doing

Steve_PPP

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Yes, indeed. Except that'll set you back a good £500-600 as you'll need an Ecutek licence too. Which takes your price list to nearly a grand And i wouldn't recommend anyone tweaking a map themselves unless they know exactly what they're doing!

The PPP was a lot of money, but thats because nearly all the kits were installed on cars at their 1000 mile PDI service (or within the first 6 months at least) - and Prodrive needed to honour 3 years of Subaru warranties! PPP doesn't make much sense when you think about it costing £1500 to put on a 5 year old car. But if you had a brand new Scoob, you wouldn't do anything else!

Steve_PPP

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Even if you don't get this scoob and end up looking elsewhere, i'd recommend only buying a car with PPP (unless you find a decent modded car thats been properly mapped).

The standard wrx has no burble to it from the rubbish pea-shooter exhaust, and i found them really quite sluggish compared to a PPP car (i test drove a standard and PPP car back-to-back before i bought mine). Despite what else has been said in this thread, you don't have to pay too much extra to get one so its worth having even if you start modding later anyway!

Rob Day

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Opensource mapping can be done from £300, Ive had no issues, but it is early days

Rob

Rob Day

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Oh yes im not critising, PPP is a good thing to get if buying, but what im saying if you see two identical cars one with PPP and one standard thats £1000 cheaper, then id go with the cheaper car and go down the route of mapping with supporting mods etc. so you know that the car is sound as a good mapper will tell you so;-)

Steve_PPP

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definately agree

but when i bought my scoob i knew sod all about modding them and then i read half of scoobynet

GT_Andy

Thanks for all the excellent info guys, it's really appreciated. I completely understand what's been said, and i agree that buying a car with the PPP already installed would make for a much better car... and to be honest i'm not going to have thousands of pounds to spend on modifying the car further.

To date, the quickest car i've owned is a Primera GT with 170bhp (thanks to a few choice mods), but this was achievable by spending about £500 - not £1600! I'd much rather buy a car that's already had the treatment.

Also, i know what you're saying about 'buying from a mate'... no matter how much of mate i definately won't pay over the odds. The situation here though is that i've known the car for about three years and i know how it's been looked after. The car IS immaculate bar a couple of stone chips, and with 70K, FSSH, never been in an accident etc. it'd certainly be a fantastic example to own.

If I can do a deal at £3500 or so, then happy days... as to be honest i can't stretch to much more.

I'll be sure to keep you guys in the loop should things go my way, and if they don't then i'll start searching for something that does.

Thanks again,
Andy

Oh... and i just want to say what a decent place this seems to be (thanks to all the generous advice). So many car clubs these days can come across as being full of ***** (i won't name any but i'm sure you know what i mean!) and it doesn't seem the case here in the slightest.

Steve_PPP

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Give the place a chance

chocolate_o_brian

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Totally agree. Wait until you get the newbies on here who can't spell and argue with the tuners and specialists (especially about dump valves)

Good luck in your search anywho.

Aaron1978

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Or just don't step foot in NSR

Rob Day

iTrader: (78)

Just another point, after owning a WRX Wagon myself, and im not suggestion that they are not as good as the Saloon, but have you not considered a Saloon or does the wagon fit your circumstances better?

Just because you want a Subaru and your mate wants shut for what ever reason, dont just deal becuase it seems to work for you both... Its still worth researching and scrolling through the Cars for sale on here, Pistonheads & Autotrader etc

Generally speaking £4k - £4.5k will get a decent bugeye WRX Saloon, obviously there is many more options to look at beyone this, STI, Power packs etc etc.