Mondeo car of the year ?
12 February 2001, 04:20 PM
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Through history most (if not all) cars of the year have turned out to be dogs in the end. Take the 1979 car of the year... the Talbot Horizon. 1982... the Austin Maestro!
I rest my case!
I rest my case!
12 February 2001, 04:23 PM
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Dingy,
What's wrong with the Legacy - after all it is basically a stretched Impreza, or should that be the Impreza a shortened Legacy. I agree that Hungarian built AWD Suzuki Swift parading as a Subaru is crap!
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What's wrong with the Legacy - after all it is basically a stretched Impreza, or should that be the Impreza a shortened Legacy. I agree that Hungarian built AWD Suzuki Swift parading as a Subaru is crap!
Moss
12 February 2001, 04:31 PM
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Nice one Moss ! Good point, my mate has a fiat Tipo, he has a sticker on the rear window that says 'Fiat Tipo, car of the year 1989'
The windows are now held up with wooden wedges !
The windows are now held up with wooden wedges !
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12 February 2001, 04:43 PM
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Here is a list of European car of the year from 1963 - 2001. There are some really crap cars here...
1963: Rover 2000 76 pt
1964: Austin 1800 78 pt
1965: Renault 16 98 pt
1966: Fiat 124 144 pt
1967: NSU Ro80 197 pt
1968: Peugeot 504 119 pt
1969: Fiat 128 235 pt
1970: Citroën GS 233 pt
1971: Fiat 127 239 pt
1972: Audi 80 114 pt
1973: Mercedes-Benz 450 115 pt
1974: Citroën CX 229 pt
1975: *
1976: Simca 1307/1308 192 pt
1977: Rover 3500 157 pt
1978: Porsche 928 261 pt
1979: Simca Horizon 251 pt
1980: Lancia Delta 369 pt
1981: Ford Escort 326 pt
1982: Renault 9 355 pt.
1983: Audi 100 410 pt
1984: Fiat Uno 346 pt
1985: Opel Kadett 326pt
1986: Ford Scorpio 337 pt
1987: Opel Omega 275 pt
1988: Peugeot 405 464 pt
1989: Fiat Tipo 356 pt
1990: Citroën XM 390 pt
1991: Renault Clio 312 pt
1992: VW Golf 276 pt
1993: Nissan Micra 338 pt
1994: Ford Mondeo 290 pt
1995: Fiat Punto 370 pt
1996: Fiat Bravo/Brava 378 pt
1997: Renault Megane Scénic 405 pt
1998: Alfa Romeo 156 454 pt
1999: Ford Focus 444 pt
2000: Toyota Yaris 344 pt
2001: Alfa Romeo 147 238 pt
1963: Rover 2000 76 pt
1964: Austin 1800 78 pt
1965: Renault 16 98 pt
1966: Fiat 124 144 pt
1967: NSU Ro80 197 pt
1968: Peugeot 504 119 pt
1969: Fiat 128 235 pt
1970: Citroën GS 233 pt
1971: Fiat 127 239 pt
1972: Audi 80 114 pt
1973: Mercedes-Benz 450 115 pt
1974: Citroën CX 229 pt
1975: *
1976: Simca 1307/1308 192 pt
1977: Rover 3500 157 pt
1978: Porsche 928 261 pt
1979: Simca Horizon 251 pt
1980: Lancia Delta 369 pt
1981: Ford Escort 326 pt
1982: Renault 9 355 pt.
1983: Audi 100 410 pt
1984: Fiat Uno 346 pt
1985: Opel Kadett 326pt
1986: Ford Scorpio 337 pt
1987: Opel Omega 275 pt
1988: Peugeot 405 464 pt
1989: Fiat Tipo 356 pt
1990: Citroën XM 390 pt
1991: Renault Clio 312 pt
1992: VW Golf 276 pt
1993: Nissan Micra 338 pt
1994: Ford Mondeo 290 pt
1995: Fiat Punto 370 pt
1996: Fiat Bravo/Brava 378 pt
1997: Renault Megane Scénic 405 pt
1998: Alfa Romeo 156 454 pt
1999: Ford Focus 444 pt
2000: Toyota Yaris 344 pt
2001: Alfa Romeo 147 238 pt
12 February 2001, 04:53 PM
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Just a tad blinkered here, aren't we chaps?
The Mondeo is now more of a drivers car than it ever was, looks significantly better than both its previous incarnation and the MY01 and, if we're trying to be objective, is a damn good car.
It beat the scooby. Perhaps stunning performance, 20MPG, rocketing insurance costs and questionable styling lost out to the better car for Mr Average?
Fine, I'm not average. I can live with that. There's hardly any need to make an accusation of bribery! Ford has sorted itself out recently with the Puma, Focus and now Mondeo.
Why have people got an axe to grind with ford?
The Mondeo is now more of a drivers car than it ever was, looks significantly better than both its previous incarnation and the MY01 and, if we're trying to be objective, is a damn good car.
It beat the scooby. Perhaps stunning performance, 20MPG, rocketing insurance costs and questionable styling lost out to the better car for Mr Average?
Fine, I'm not average. I can live with that. There's hardly any need to make an accusation of bribery! Ford has sorted itself out recently with the Puma, Focus and now Mondeo.
Why have people got an axe to grind with ford?
12 February 2001, 05:11 PM
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Joking aside, the Mondeo is a good car... but Car of the Year??? I'm have no bias against Ford and none really pro Subaru. Infact, I certainly wouldn't pick MY01 Impreza as Car of the year either. I just feel that the "Car of the Year" award is a bit like "Manager of the Month" in football! The wheels suddenly fall off and they get relegated!
12 February 2001, 11:26 PM
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Car of the year, IT'S FEBUARY! Most of the year hasn't happened yet so how can anyone say the Mondeo is the best, how do they know no one's going to make a late entry?
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12 February 2001, 11:33 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Andy Porter:
<B>Why have people got an axe to grind with ford?[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Ford Explorer, cruise control ???
That cover up is an absolute discgrace.
Andyp[/quote]
And the Pinto exploding Fuel tank, and the Explorer prototype instabilities which Ford ignored and tried to cover up by recommended under inflating the Bridgestone ATX tyres which helped them overheat them which helped them de-laminate...... the list goes on.
Having said that, Ford probably aren't much worse than any other manufacturer, they are just bigger and so more likely to get caught.
Matt.
[This message has been edited by mutant_matt (edited 12 February 2001).]
<B>Why have people got an axe to grind with ford?[/quote]
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR><B>Ford Explorer, cruise control ???
That cover up is an absolute discgrace.
Andyp[/quote]
And the Pinto exploding Fuel tank, and the Explorer prototype instabilities which Ford ignored and tried to cover up by recommended under inflating the Bridgestone ATX tyres which helped them overheat them which helped them de-laminate...... the list goes on.
Having said that, Ford probably aren't much worse than any other manufacturer, they are just bigger and so more likely to get caught.
Matt.
[This message has been edited by mutant_matt (edited 12 February 2001).]
13 February 2001, 10:48 AM
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Not forgetting of course, the General Motors Corvair whose rear wheels would "tuck in" causing the car to roll at speeds as low as 40mph.
And then there's the airbags that have killed dozens of small children.
Ford just seems to get the worst press.
And then there's the airbags that have killed dozens of small children.
Ford just seems to get the worst press.
13 February 2001, 11:12 AM
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Everyone involved in car reporting these days is playing it safe with their choices.
Its all so polictically correct, push economy, family values, speed limited driving, and disregards driver enjoyment, and anything that may get the pulse and speed cameras working.
The Mondeo in the Euro Car of the Year actually had "car of the year" or something similar chalked onto the shocks, which indicated the car was fitted with parts specifically for the contest, that would be presumably superior to what is put on the basic car.
Mondeo's are mass market rep cars, and I dont see how something like that can win a Car of the Year award by any stretch of the imagination.
BTW, these are simply my opinions, I'm old school, still remeber the days when advertising speed wasnt frowned upon.
Its all so polictically correct, push economy, family values, speed limited driving, and disregards driver enjoyment, and anything that may get the pulse and speed cameras working.
The Mondeo in the Euro Car of the Year actually had "car of the year" or something similar chalked onto the shocks, which indicated the car was fitted with parts specifically for the contest, that would be presumably superior to what is put on the basic car.
Mondeo's are mass market rep cars, and I dont see how something like that can win a Car of the Year award by any stretch of the imagination.
BTW, these are simply my opinions, I'm old school, still remeber the days when advertising speed wasnt frowned upon.
13 February 2001, 07:44 PM
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i saw the mondeo being tested on driven. very impressive for a 'normal',cheap, car. i dont have a problem with fords, only 'gary boys' in orions. it will be interesting to see how many people on this bbs buy a focus cosworth in a few years time!
personally, from what i've read so far, i think the new x-type could/should be car of the year. i think its great looking, classy inside, big engine/oomph,good value and may seriously be my next car in a couple of years. toss up between that and new m3. is it me , or are bmw peddles VERY offset??
personally, from what i've read so far, i think the new x-type could/should be car of the year. i think its great looking, classy inside, big engine/oomph,good value and may seriously be my next car in a couple of years. toss up between that and new m3. is it me , or are bmw peddles VERY offset??
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